[Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Catholic Poles and Lutheran Germans > Lachmann

[Kenneth Browne]

On 09/15/2013 01:59 PM, Andreas Leyer wrote:
> Hello Kenneth,
>
> also my ancestors came over Antonielów / Kielce to Volhynia. I spend a lot
> of time looking into the churchbooks of Kielce. Before there were Lutheran
> church records till 1838 they went to the catholic church in Lopuszno.
>
> Therefore, I can also say something about the Lachmann family to you.
Thank you very much for all this information. I have some of this 
information already but
this will help fill in some blanks. The point about the Samuel 
Lachmann  mentioned in the
marriage document for Gottlieb Lachmann and Juliana Josefa Wolf is 
very interesting and
completely new to me.

I wonder if the Beile Lachmann who refers to herself as a 
sister-in-law of my great grandfather,
Samuel G. Lachmann could have been married to a cousin of Samuel?? 
Technically that would
not make her a sister-in-law but so far I haven't identified a brother 
of Samuel who might have
married Beile.

I received the 1852 marriage document from Diethard Kolewe quite some 
time ago but your
explanation of some of the detail is most appreciated. Anything else 
related to the Lachmann
family that you may have will be of interest to me and my 2nd cousin, 
another Samuel Lachmann.

Ken


> Lachmann, Matthäus, * ~ 1778, + Olszowka / Kielce / Polen 29.05.1834
> oo Anna Rosine Jakubowski(also Jankowski)
>
> childs
> 1. Lachmann, Beate, * ~ 1795
> oo Lopuszno / Kielce / Polen 25.01.1823
> Christian Deutschmann, * ~ 1795
>
> 2. Lachmann, Johann Karl, * Jutrosin Preussen 16.02.1808
> oo I. Lopuszno / Kielce / Polen 17.01.1832 Luise Lüdtke, II. Anna Dorothea
> Zöllmer (Celmer)
> Lüdtke, Luise, * Olendrach piotrkowskich Gm. Trzepnicy pow Piotrkow ~ 1808,
> + Antonielow / Kielce / Polen 11.03.1862
> Lt. Heiratseintrag Geburtsort "Miedzychowie Starych Preussen"(also Birnbaum)
> Zöllmer (Celmer), Anna Dorothea, * Antonielow / Kielce / Polen 06.02.1803
> (she was a sister of my greatgreatgreatgrandfather)
>
> 3. Lachmann, Gottlieb, * Jutroszim Panitwa? Pruskim ~ 1812
> oo Lopuszno 16.11.1835 Anna Dorothea Reimann, Reimann, Anna Dorothea, * ~
> 1817
>
> 4. Lachmann, Johann Daniel, * ~ 1815
> oo Kielce / Polen 01.03.1840 Lüdtke, Anna Henrietta, * ~ 1821
>
> 5. Lachmann, Samuel, * ~ 1818, + Olszowka / Kielce / Polen 06.01.1823
>
> 6. Lachmann, Kristiane, * ~ 1819, + Olszowka / Kielce / Polen 18.10.1822
>
> 7. Lachmann, Gottfried Gottlob, * Josefin / Kielce / Polen 26.07.1822, +
> Olszowka / Kielce / Polen 26.07.1823
>
> Number 2 > Johann Karl Lachmann oo Luise Lüdtke had 8 childs. First child
> was
>
> Lachmann, Johann Gottfried, * Olszciska Gm. Lopuszno / Kielce / Polen
> 12.11.1832
> oo Kielce / Polen 02.02.1852
> Wolf, Julianna Josefa, * Kajetanovic Gm. Mokra 04.03.1833
>
> Her parents are
>
> Wolf, Kristian, * Hirschbergus Szlasku  Preussen ~ 1799, + Antonielow /
> Kielce / Polen 21.12.1856
> oo Thonn, Julianna, * ~ 1801
> In the inhabitantsbook of Kielce ist her familyname Celmer.
>
> The parents of Kristian Wolf are
>
> Wolf, Friedrich oo Katharina, her familyname is unknown.
>
> In the marriage document of Gottfried Lachmann oo Julianna Josefa Wolf is
> mentioned a Samuel Lachmann 23 y.(born ~ 1829) from Skatki. He was one of
> the attestors, probably related, but not the son.
>
> Anna Wilhelmina Richter, a descendant in the Luedtke family above, appears
> later and married a Samuel Lachmann. I have no further information on him,
> but she was born about 1828, so he could be the Samuel Lachmann in the
> marriage document.
>
> Hope, you get new information. If you are interested, I can send you a
> excel-file with Lachmann birth, death and marriage of Kielce and Lopuszno.
>
> Regards
>
> Andreas
>
> www.familie-leyer.de
>
>
>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: Ger-Poland-Volhynia [mailto:ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at sggee.org] Im
>> Auftrag von Kenneth Browne
>> Gesendet: Samstag, 14. September 2013 20:53
>> An: ger-poland-volhynia at sggee.org
>> Betreff: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Catholic Poles and Lutheran Germans
>>
>> On 09/14/2013 12:51 PM, Jerry Frank wrote:
>>>    Jews also registered at Catholic churches until their synagogues were
>> given permission to do registrations, I think in the 1830s or so.
>> My ggfather, Samuel Lachmann, was born in Sept, 1865 in Rozhysche
>> (sp?) and migrated to the U.S. (Chicago) in 1891. His first wife, my
>> ggmother, Alvine Mroch died young and her origins are still a mystery,
>> other than 1900 census which state
>> place of birth as "Germany". Samuels place of birth is listed as
>> "Russia."
>>
>> In re: the above citation, is it possible that Samuel's birth in 1865
>> (or 1866) could have been recorded in a Lutheran church, even if he or
>> his parents were Jewish? Seems unlikely except for the existence of
>> letters written by his "sister in law" in 1931 and 1937. The first
>> letter in Yiddish, the second in English with help of a friend
>> states...'back to Poland we cannot go because we have no passport.'
>>
>> I also have a digital copy of Samuel's parents' marriage in 1852. I
>> cannot read the Polish, but I can pick out some of the names and it
>> appears to mention a Samuel Lachmann. Other keywords that I picked out
>> of the document (a .TIF file) are Kielce, Antonielow, Gottfried
>> Lachmann, Juliana Josefa Wolf, and at the bottom what looks like
>> Pastor Kielecki.
>>
>> As far as I know, Gottfried Lachmann's father was a Karl Lachmann. So
>> if I've deciphered these names correctly, who is this other Samuel
>> Lachmann who existed some 13 years before my ggf's birth? Ah, the
>> mystery of genealogy.
>>
>> --
>> Kenneth Browne researching: BROWN(E) LEIGHTON TAYLOR CLOUGH/CLUFF
>> LACHMANN RUSSELL NOURSE MORSE PETTENGILL NOBLE SMALL WOLF MROCH
>> LUEDTKE HECKBERT MANTEI
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