[Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Catholic Poles and Lutheran Germans > Lachmann

[Andreas Leyer]

Hello Kenneth,

also my ancestors came over Antonielów / Kielce to Volhynia. I spend a lot
of time looking into the churchbooks of Kielce. Before there were Lutheran
church records till 1838 they went to the catholic church in Lopuszno.

Therefore, I can also say something about the Lachmann family to you.

Lachmann, Matthäus, * ~ 1778, + Olszowka / Kielce / Polen 29.05.1834
oo Anna Rosine Jakubowski(also Jankowski)

childs
1. Lachmann, Beate, * ~ 1795
oo Lopuszno / Kielce / Polen 25.01.1823 
Christian Deutschmann, * ~ 1795

2. Lachmann, Johann Karl, * Jutrosin Preussen 16.02.1808
oo I. Lopuszno / Kielce / Polen 17.01.1832 Luise Lüdtke, II. Anna Dorothea
Zöllmer (Celmer)
Lüdtke, Luise, * Olendrach piotrkowskich Gm. Trzepnicy pow Piotrkow ~ 1808,
+ Antonielow / Kielce / Polen 11.03.1862
Lt. Heiratseintrag Geburtsort "Miedzychowie Starych Preussen"(also Birnbaum)
Zöllmer (Celmer), Anna Dorothea, * Antonielow / Kielce / Polen 06.02.1803
(she was a sister of my greatgreatgreatgrandfather)

3. Lachmann, Gottlieb, * Jutroszim Panitwa? Pruskim ~ 1812
oo Lopuszno 16.11.1835 Anna Dorothea Reimann, Reimann, Anna Dorothea, * ~
1817

4. Lachmann, Johann Daniel, * ~ 1815
oo Kielce / Polen 01.03.1840 Lüdtke, Anna Henrietta, * ~ 1821

5. Lachmann, Samuel, * ~ 1818, + Olszowka / Kielce / Polen 06.01.1823

6. Lachmann, Kristiane, * ~ 1819, + Olszowka / Kielce / Polen 18.10.1822

7. Lachmann, Gottfried Gottlob, * Josefin / Kielce / Polen 26.07.1822, +
Olszowka / Kielce / Polen 26.07.1823

Number 2 > Johann Karl Lachmann oo Luise Lüdtke had 8 childs. First child
was 

Lachmann, Johann Gottfried, * Olszciska Gm. Lopuszno / Kielce / Polen
12.11.1832
oo Kielce / Polen 02.02.1852 
Wolf, Julianna Josefa, * Kajetanovic Gm. Mokra 04.03.1833

Her parents are

Wolf, Kristian, * Hirschbergus Szlasku  Preussen ~ 1799, + Antonielow /
Kielce / Polen 21.12.1856
oo Thonn, Julianna, * ~ 1801
In the inhabitantsbook of Kielce ist her familyname Celmer.

The parents of Kristian Wolf are

Wolf, Friedrich oo Katharina, her familyname is unknown.

In the marriage document of Gottfried Lachmann oo Julianna Josefa Wolf is
mentioned a Samuel Lachmann 23 y.(born ~ 1829) from Skatki. He was one of
the attestors, probably related, but not the son. 

Anna Wilhelmina Richter, a descendant in the Luedtke family above, appears
later and married a Samuel Lachmann. I have no further information on him,
but she was born about 1828, so he could be the Samuel Lachmann in the
marriage document.

Hope, you get new information. If you are interested, I can send you a
excel-file with Lachmann birth, death and marriage of Kielce and Lopuszno.

Regards

Andreas

www.familie-leyer.de 


> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Ger-Poland-Volhynia [mailto:ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at sggee.org] Im
> Auftrag von Kenneth Browne
> Gesendet: Samstag, 14. September 2013 20:53
> An: ger-poland-volhynia at sggee.org
> Betreff: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Catholic Poles and Lutheran Germans
> 
> On 09/14/2013 12:51 PM, Jerry Frank wrote:
> >   Jews also registered at Catholic churches until their synagogues were
> given permission to do registrations, I think in the 1830s or so.
> My ggfather, Samuel Lachmann, was born in Sept, 1865 in Rozhysche
> (sp?) and migrated to the U.S. (Chicago) in 1891. His first wife, my
> ggmother, Alvine Mroch died young and her origins are still a mystery,
> other than 1900 census which state
> place of birth as "Germany". Samuels place of birth is listed as
> "Russia."
> 
> In re: the above citation, is it possible that Samuel's birth in 1865
> (or 1866) could have been recorded in a Lutheran church, even if he or
> his parents were Jewish? Seems unlikely except for the existence of
> letters written by his "sister in law" in 1931 and 1937. The first
> letter in Yiddish, the second in English with help of a friend
> states...'back to Poland we cannot go because we have no passport.'
> 
> I also have a digital copy of Samuel's parents' marriage in 1852. I
> cannot read the Polish, but I can pick out some of the names and it
> appears to mention a Samuel Lachmann. Other keywords that I picked out
> of the document (a .TIF file) are Kielce, Antonielow, Gottfried
> Lachmann, Juliana Josefa Wolf, and at the bottom what looks like
> Pastor Kielecki.
> 
> As far as I know, Gottfried Lachmann's father was a Karl Lachmann. So
> if I've deciphered these names correctly, who is this other Samuel
> Lachmann who existed some 13 years before my ggf's birth? Ah, the
> mystery of genealogy.
> 
> --
> Kenneth Browne researching: BROWN(E) LEIGHTON TAYLOR CLOUGH/CLUFF
> LACHMANN RUSSELL NOURSE MORSE PETTENGILL NOBLE SMALL WOLF MROCH
> LUEDTKE HECKBERT MANTEI
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