[Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Some help with some images

Sat Jul 25 21:41:45 PDT 2015

Hi Paul,

Well, I will stick with 37 for the father and 36 for the mother.  I agree, seeing birth records of other children would clarify matters.

Sarah,

Do let us know from what parish/church records this 1840 record was found.

Rose 
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  Hi Rose,

      I wondered about that also, but there is no similarity at all between the examples we have of the digit '3' and the digit in question.  Blowing up the image as much as I could, I saw something that indicated that the right side of the upper half of the digit might not be hand-written at all but rather a piece of dust or something else.  If you disregard that wiggly stroke, the rest of the digit is almost identical to the digit '5' in the entry number (75) and the entry for the age of the first godfather (45).  There is one good example of the digit '9' in the birthdate (29),

      I agree that this is a bit of a stretch, but of all the possibilities, this looks like the best candidate.

      As for the age of the wife, BTW, I learn more towards 30 than 36.  The second digit in her age bears no resemblance to the second digit in the next entry number (76).  Again, however, it is not conclusive.  We would need more evidence to come to a final conclusion.  It would help a lot if we had the birth records from other children to compare with.

      -Paul

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  Paul, 

  I wonder ifs what we see as 97 could actually be 37, a very sloppy 3. 
  And "gem. Janikowie" may be Janikowic. 

  Rose 

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    Hi Sarah, 

        You are very close on many of your assumptions.  Here's some more detail that I can add: 

    Column 1:  Record number 
    Column 2:  Christening date and time - 25 April morning at 9:00 
    Column 3:  Normally the name and age of the father.  However, in this case, a place is also given, implying that the father does not live in the place where the christening took place.  The place name of Marjonowie is followed by what looks like "gem. Janikowie" which would mean a location within or very near Maryanowie. Not sure what the last number means, but it does look like a 97.  Compare the time of the christening with the number, ad there is some doubt about it being a 97. Not sure what it might be, though.  Compare also with the date of the birth.  Might a 57 if the right-hand side of the top half of the numeral is assumed to be a piece of dust of something else no part of the number.  There are several examples of the number 5 elsewhere in the first two entries on the page that show similarities if you discount that faint mark. 
    Column 4:  godparents. 
    Column 5:  Gender of the child 
    Column 6:  date of bith and time; 29 Mar midday 12:00 
    Column 7: name and age of the mother 
    Column 8:  Given name of the child 
    Column 9:  presumably the name of the godmother 

    The third entry on the page is in a different handwriting, so we can't use anything from that entry for comparison purposes. 

    Good luck! 

        -Paul 

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    From: Sarah Nielsen < sarahsolen at hotmail.com> 
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    Sent: Sat, Jul 25, 2015 5:04 pm 
    Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Some help with some images 

    I recently got a copy of some parish records.  I'm not exactly sure where 
    the images are from (I will find out), but they were from someone who believed 
    that they were the right records for my family. 
    Here is the link to one of 
    them:https://flic.kr/p/wct3QP 
    The first line in the image is a birth record for 
    Gottlieb Jesswein. I am pretty sure that he is my great-great-great grandfather. 
    I just want to verify that I am reading the document correctly since my German 
    is pretty limited. Information I do know: I have a Polish document (created in 
    1936) from family records. We had it translated and it verifies that the 
    Gottlieb Jesswein in my family was born the 29th of March 1840 to the parents 
    George Jesswein and Katharina Schulz in Marjanowie (or possibly Marjanowic). 

    Here is my best guess at what the document in the link above says. Any 
    corrections and help are welcome. 
    Column #1 = Record NumberColumn #2 = 25 Apr 
    and then it says something else--not sure whatColumn #3 = The place (it looks 
    close to Marjanowie) and Father's name (George Jeswein) followed by something 
    else, possibly his age. I would have guessed the number is 97 but that isn't 
    likely.Column #4 = 2 names and ages? -- I'm guessing they are godfathersColumn 
    #5 = Says whether it is a son or daughterColumn #6 = Some more dates -- To me it 
    looks like it says 29 March but then it has some more info again.Column #7 = 
    Mother's name of Catharina nee Schultz with a number, possibly 36Column #8 = 
    Gottlieb (child's given name)Column #9 = Anna Rosina Schmittke -- possibly 
    Godmother 
    Thanks for your help, 
    Sarah Nielsen 

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