[Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Ger-Poland-Volhynia Digest, Vol 129, Issue 18

Wed Feb 19 19:28:18 PST 2014

HI all,

In the current EWZ film I am reviewing, several married women have noted
that they were previously widowed - and some very young as they've brought
young children to their union. Often both are widowed so have blended
families and then have more (based on the wedding date provided.)

And occasionally I have found that a child is identified as "Findling" (or
foundling) or "Pflegekind" (foster child).  It was not clear if there is
any blood relation though.

I've also noted that  illegitimate children are identified - but have yet
to see the father noted by the mother or the child when he/she is adult.
Sometimes a question mark is noted for the missing parent's identity or the
word "Unbekannt" - unknown. In one case, I actually knew the individual. He
was an orphaned teen at the time of the EWZ processing , living/working
with a family. He was a friend of my uncle and knew my family well.
According to my Mom, he never did find out who his father was, something
that apparently always weighed on him, til the day he died.

One marriage I found was truly May-December.  The husband born in 1874,
remarried a woman b. 1895.  They list two children - one born in 1893 and
the other in 1924.  The first child's father is obvious but the second may
have been brought to the union. Unfortunately their marriage date and place
was not noted so it was not clear .

Helen Gillespie

On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 3:00 PM, <ger-poland-volhynia-request at sggee.org>wrote:

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>    1. Re: Ger-Poland-Volhynia] EWZ Marriage Data Query - Ruck
>       (Gary Warner)
>    2. Re: Ger-Poland-Volhynia] EWZ Marriage Data Query - Ruck
>       (kenkrell at comcast.net)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 08:16:35 -0800
> From: Gary Warner <garyw555 at gmail.com>
> To: Randy Svenson <randy_svenson at yahoo.com>,    Jerry Frank
>         <franklyspeaking at shaw.ca>, Karl Krueger <dabookk54 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "ger-poland-volhynia at sggee.org" <ger-poland-volhynia at sggee.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Ger-Poland-Volhynia] EWZ Marriage
>         Data Query - Ruck
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> To all,
>
> Then lucky me.  The only family member of mine caught up in EWZ was the
> daughter of my great aunt, and her children.   That EWZ58 record shows
> full data on her deceased husband and also her parents, even to the
> detail of noting that her mother was in the United States.
>
> Gary Warner
>
> On 2/19/2014 5:58 AM, Randy Svenson wrote:
> > It has been my experience with the EWZ, as limited as it is, that
> deceased spouses were not mentioned.  The date and place of marriage was
> listed on the Stammblatt, but usually not the spouse if deceased.  It is
> possible to find children from that marriage than the deceased Mother or
> Father is probably listed.  Cross reference with Grandmother or Grandfather
> for accuracy if listed.  For that matter, the first marriage may not be
> listed at all if the living spouse re-married.  Older children of the first
> marriage may or may not be listed under the second marriage, depending on
> their age.  Adult children have their own card.  Comparing the age of child
> to the date of marriage can be a give-a-way.  A few months would be
> difficult to tell, ten years would indicate a previous marriage.  Children
> that were listed at time of record and then died after the record date were
> simply "lined out".
> >
> > Randy Svenson
> >
> > Searching: Pohl, Paetsch, Nixdorf.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 11:24 PM, Jerry Frank <
> franklyspeaking at shaw.ca> wrote:
> >
> > And just to add to that, the EWZ were used in large measure to prove
> German ethnicity.  Mentioning a Russian husband might have been detrimental
> to the process.
> >
> >
> > Jerry
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Karl Krueger" <dabookk54 at yahoo.com>
> > To: "David Yakel" <djyakel at gmail.com>, ger-poland-volhynia at sggee.org
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 8:10:02 PM
> > Subject: [Shaw Suspected Junk Email] Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] EWZ
> Marriage Data Query - Ruck
> >
> > Dear David,
> > EWZ normally only provides the current or most recent marriage on its
> records. Sometimes they might indicate previous/deceased spouses but I
> really don't know if they did it that much when they were going through
> Russia. So if you don't see it don't be alarmed.
> >
> > Karl
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: David Yakel <djyakel at gmail.com>
> > To: ger-poland-volhynia at sggee.org
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 5:30 PM
> > Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] EWZ Marriage Data Query - Ruck
> >
> >
> > Re:  EWZ record for Alwine Lauersdorf (Ruck) born 1894, married 1928.
> >
> > Is it possible that Alwine's first marriage to a Russian soldier around
> > 1912 was not given when her EWZ form was completed?
> >
> > My grandmother who came to Canada left behind 3 younger sisters   1.
> Alwine
> > (I have a postcard)   2.?? EWZ has Helene - same as my moms middle name
> > 3. ?? EWZ has Clementine unmarried (grandmother said she was a bit "odd"
> &
> > still single).  Their father's name was August, my grandmother is
> > Ausgustina.  They all lived in Antonettental & there are no other
> families
> > with just girls in the records.  If she could have left the marriage out,
> > then I am thinking they are my family.
> >
> > Are there any other records I could look at?
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> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 17:40:31 +0000 (UTC)
> From: kenkrell at comcast.net
> To: Gary Warner <garyw555 at gmail.com>
> Cc: ger-poland-volhynia at sggee.org, Karl Krueger <dabookk54 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Ger-Poland-Volhynia] EWZ Marriage
>         Data Query - Ruck
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> To All,
>
>
>
> I agree with Gary There is a least one reference to a deceased person.
> Don't rely just on the LDS films, the National archives in College Park,
> Maryland has many more records.
>
>
>
> Ken
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
>
> From: "Gary Warner" <garyw555 at gmail.com>
> To: "Randy Svenson" <randy_svenson at yahoo.com>, "Jerry Frank" <
> franklyspeaking at shaw.ca>, "Karl Krueger" <dabookk54 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: ger-poland-volhynia at sggee.org
> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2014 8:16:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Ger-Poland-Volhynia] EWZ Marriage Data
> Query - Ruck
>
> To all,
>
> Then lucky me. ?The only family member of mine caught up in EWZ was the
> daughter of my great aunt, and her children. ? That EWZ58 record shows
> full data on her deceased husband and also her parents, even to the
> detail of noting that her mother was in the United States.
>
> Gary Warner
>
> On 2/19/2014 5:58 AM, Randy Svenson wrote:
> > It has been my experience with the EWZ, as limited as it is, that
> deceased spouses were not mentioned. ?The date and place of marriage was
> listed on the Stammblatt, but usually not the spouse if deceased. ?It is
> possible to find children from that marriage than the deceased Mother or
> Father is probably listed. ?Cross reference with Grandmother or Grandfather
> for accuracy if listed. ?For that matter, the first marriage may not be
> listed at all if the living spouse re-married. ?Older children of the first
> marriage may or may not be listed under the second marriage, depending on
> their age. ?Adult children have their own card. ?Comparing the age of child
> to the date of marriage can be a give-a-way. ?A few months would be
> difficult to tell, ten years would indicate a previous marriage. ?Children
> that were listed at time of record and then died after the record date were
> simply "lined out".
> >
> > Randy Svenson
> > ?
> > Searching: Pohl, Paetsch, Nixdorf.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 11:24 PM, Jerry Frank <
> franklyspeaking at shaw.ca> wrote:
> > ? ?
> > And just to add to that, the EWZ were used in large measure to prove
> German ethnicity. ?Mentioning a Russian husband might have been detrimental
> to the process.
> >
> >
> > Jerry
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Karl Krueger" <dabookk54 at yahoo.com>
> > To: "David Yakel" <djyakel at gmail.com>, ger-poland-volhynia at sggee.org
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 8:10:02 PM
> > Subject: [Shaw Suspected Junk Email] Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] EWZ
> Marriage Data Query - Ruck
> >
> > Dear David,
> > EWZ normally only provides the current or most recent marriage on its
> records. Sometimes they might indicate previous/deceased spouses but I
> really don't know if they did it that much when they were going through
> Russia. So if you don't see it don't be alarmed.
> >
> > Karl
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: David Yakel <djyakel at gmail.com>
> > To: ger-poland-volhynia at sggee.org
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 5:30 PM
> > Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] EWZ Marriage Data Query - Ruck
> > ? ?
> >
> > Re: ?EWZ record for Alwine Lauersdorf (Ruck) born 1894, married 1928.
> >
> > Is it possible that Alwine's first marriage to a Russian soldier around
> > 1912 was not given when her EWZ form was completed?
> >
> > My grandmother who came to Canada left behind 3 younger sisters ? 1.
> Alwine
> > (I have a postcard) ? 2.?? EWZ has Helene - same as my moms middle name
> > 3. ?? EWZ has Clementine unmarried (grandmother said she was a bit "odd"
> &
> > still single). ?Their father's name was August, my grandmother is
> > Ausgustina. ?They all lived in Antonettental & there are no other
> families
> > with just girls in the records. ?If she could have left the marriage out,
> > then I am thinking they are my family.
> >
> > Are there any other records I could look at?
> > _______________________________________________
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