[Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Radom Parish Records.... Several questions in under...

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Just a thought - might it be possible for that term "legal tutor" to be  
interpreted as "legal representative" for a female whose father was  deceased? 
  Perhaps to give permission for her marriage, if she were  very young?  
The term "tutor" just doesn't seem to belong in that format,  given that women 
had few, if any, rights, including education.   

I have a legal background, so this usage intrigues me.  

Maureen 
 
 
In a message dated 3/28/2012 6:19:21 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca writes:

Gene,

When our Parish List shows NKLR, we mean in  microfilmed form.  In this 
case the Radom Lutheran records are listed in  the Polish Archives database of 
records.  The Rawa Mazowieckie records  are not listed there.

We have a personal report from the son of Pastor  Hammermeister at Rawa 
that the books were destroyed when a German tank ran  over the horse drawn 
wagon of the Pastor as he was fleeing from Rawa.  We  would of course be excited 
to find that a copy was available somewhere but so  far nothing has 
appeared.

The Archive that would hold Rawa records is  in Lodz.  I am going to be in 
that Archive in May but do not expect to  find anything for Rawa (but I will 
look).

If a village is recorded with  a different district name, it may or may not 
be in the same parish.  Some  parishes were small while others covered a 
very large area.  Best is to  stick with the political boundary rather than 
with the parish boundary as you  search for the villages.  When you find the 
village, you will have to  determine which Parish it was in.

I forget the exact number but in  Poland there was at least a dozen or more 
classifications for people of  peasant class.  That is why you are seeing 
so many variations.  Each  one has a slightly different context in terms of 
being a laborer only, whether  or not you had some ownership status of the 
land, etc.  It is sometimes  difficult to translate these into English terms 
so be cautious about how you  interpret them.  Best to go back to the 
original Polish term and do some  research to determine the full context of the 
word rather than just using a  single word translation.

"Legal tutor" seems like an odd  designation.  Again, you might want to go 
back to the original Polish  term to search for the full context of what it 
implies.

Life span for  women was often short because they often died in childbirth. 
 Many men  however survived into their 60s and 70s.  You may have just hit 
an  anomaly in your particular family.  You would have to do a full 
community  study to determine how common it was.  I have one ancestor who died in  
his 90s c.1803 who had 5 wives and 24 children.  All the children  
predeceased him.

Yes, it was very common to move around in the  district.  The person may 
have been working for the same landlord during  those moves.


Jerry






----- Original  Message -----
From: Gene Markiewicz <genemarkiewicz at aol.com>
Date:  Wednesday, March 28, 2012 3:45 am
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Radom  Parish Records.... Several questions 
in understanding these entries.
To:  ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org

>  
> 
> Hi,  I am working my way through roughly 35 vital records I 
> received from  the
> Radom Evangelical Augsberger Parish via the Radom Regional  
> Archives. The
> bulk of these records are from the 1840's  through 1890 but some 
> are from
> before and some after.  I  have had these records translated 
> so I am working
> with the  English translation.  I have several 
> questions/observations for  the
> group.
> 
>  
> 
>  .         For the most 
> part,  village names are provided with no additional
> information.  But,  in a few cases, a village name is 
> provided with an added
>  comment that the village named it is in a different 
> district.   My question
> whether I should  assume that a village name provided  is 
> within the parish
> district unless in indicates  otherwise?  This is 
> particularly important with
> birth  locations in death entries and similar cases where a birth 
> place of  an
> individual is provided (not a birth entry).
> 
>  .         A couple of 
> village  names were noted to be for the Rawa or Rawa
> Mazowiecka district.  Similar to the Radom Parish, this parish is 
> listed as
> not  having records that were micro-filmed by LDS.  So I 
> want to  write to the
> appropriate regional archive (as I did for Radom).   Can 
> someone tell me
> whether this is likely to work and which  archive location I 
> should try.
> 
>  .         Does anyone 
> have  any particular knowledge/expertise of this parish
> district?
>  
> .         Virtually even  
> male mentioned has an occupation or status
> indicated.  I  have seen colonist, settler, tennant, 
> peasant,, laborer. for
>  one woman it was servant and at my grandmothers wedding a man 
>  attended who
> was identified as being her "legal tutor". both her  parents were 
> dead and
> this "legal tutor" had the same last  name as her mother's maiden 
> name.  Were
> these standard  designations or just what the parish 
> pastor/administratorchose to  use? I can assume which each 
> designation means but am curious as  to
> whether these designations meant more than is obvious to  me.
> 
> .         I am  really 
> struck that so many of this family died in their 30's
>  and early 40's.  Only a couple of them lived to 50.  
> Was  this the norm for
> time & place?
> 
>  .         My 
> grandfather's  father (and family) seemed to have a different
> location noted every  time they had a birth, death, marriage.. 
> Over a 30yr
>  timeframe . But seemingly remaining in the same district within 
> a  radius of
> 25 km or so.  He was mostly listed as a tenant.   Is my 
> assumption that  he
> most likely moved between  farms as a laborer perhaps moving with 
> variouscrops a reasonable one.  was this a common practice?
> 
> Thanks for your insights and your  expertise
> 
>  
> 
> Eugene Markiewicz
>  
>  
> 
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