[Ger-Poland-Volhynia] geography assistance: "Gruec"?

[Albert Muth]

 Another possibly for your "Gruec"is Grójec, roughly pronounced GRU-yets.
There are several of these in Russian Poland.

Pinning all your hopes on a single, misspelled place-name (and one
possible life event there) may be setting you up for failure. If you take
a broader look at the entire family, you (and we) may come up with
more ideas to pursue.

I think I found Edward and Christine on the 1916 Manitoba census.
If so, he appears to be born about 1886.  Do you have approximate
dates of birth for Edward's brothers and sisters?  Did they remain
behind or did they also emigrate?

What about Christine's family?  Do you have further information there?
Some times, people coming from the same earlier place continued
their associations in the later place.

Al Muth

On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 2:21 PM, Richard Stein <ra_stein at telus.net> wrote:

> Craig,
> Others are more knowledgeable than I about Polish villages, but I have one
> observation.  In the VKP database is a family Gottfried Schiller and his
> wife Christine Schiller living at Miroslawka in Rozyszcze parish.  Four
> children are born there 1879 to 1887.  A fifth, Pauline, is confirmed
> there.
> Her birth is given as 7 Jan 1870 in Grodziec.  Possibly your Gruec is
> Grodziec.  There are a dozen or more Grodziec in Russian Poland.  The only
> one close to Kalisz is 32 km north.
>
> Good luck in your search.
>
> Dick Stein
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Craig Schiller" <craigbear at gmail.com>
> To: <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
> Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 11:51 AM
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] geography assistance: "Gruec"?
>
>
> > I'm a new member who's got a lot of things I need some assistance
> > with, but I'll keep it simple and address one thing at a time :-)
> >
> > My first problem is that our family lore has had my great-grandfather
> > and his siblings being born and raised in "Gruec, Kalisz, Poland" --
> > but in more than ten years of research, I have yet to actually find
> > the first shred of evidence that any such place has ever actually
> > existed at all. Literally every single page anywhere on the web that
> > links a place named Gruec to Kalisz is a genealogy forum post by me or
> > a direct relative of mine inquiring about the same batch of ancestors
> > from the same pool of family information; I've never found any other
> > evidence that there's ever been a Gruec (or a place whose name could
> > conceivably be misspelled as Gruec) anywhere near Kalisz.
> >
> > In truth, given that outside of that one detail the family history is
> > mostly found in Volhynia (Lutsk/Rozyszcze, in particular) instead of
> > Posen, I've always had a nagging suspicion that Kalisz was a
> > documentation error for Halicz/Halychyna/Galicia -- but that covers a
> > very large area, so pursuing that direction has been like searching
> > for a needle in a haystack.
> >
> > Accordingly, I wanted to ask if anybody can assist in nailing down
> > this mystery "Gruec". Is there indeed any place in the vicinity of
> > Kalisz whose name is, once was or could potentially be misspelled as
> > Gruec? Is there a place somewhere in Galicia/Volhynia whose name is,
> > once was or could potentially be misspelled as Gruec?
> >
> > If it helps at all, the family I'm looking for is a Lutheran batch of
> > Schillers. My great-grandfather's name was Edward; he had siblings
> > named Gottlieb, George, Paul, Emilia and Alma; and he married a
> > Christine (or Christina) Maier. Despite the troubles we've had really
> > pinning down his birth details properly, we can clearly place him
> > around Schuryn/Neu-Dorosin as an adult, as Christine is from that area
> > and Edward's Canadian immigration documents say that's where he was
> > living when he packed up for North America.
> >
> > Any assistance would be much appreciated.
> >
> > - Craig
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