[Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Westfalen migration (was: Re: Nosowiecze)

Fri Aug 31 02:02:29 PDT 2012

Norbert and Paul and list, 

Here is one of my sources for explanation of German migrations into "Poland" in the 1600's. I am still looking for my source that stated Westfalen and Lower Saxony were sources of migrants. If you google the author (William W. Hagen), he appears to be pretty well researched and has written a book on Prussian life in Brandenburg. 
I have found records of people with my last name in the Graudenz region as early as 1696. There were obviously substantial migrations of Lutheran Germans prior to the time you gave Paul, of 1770's. How else would you have so many Germans in the West Prussia and Netze Land Registers of 1772? 

   Chris Menke

> From: info at werkzeuch.de
> To: chrismenke at hotmail.com
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Westfalen migration (was: Re: Nosowiecze)
> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 08:44:08 +0200
> 
> Hallo Christopher, ich suche seit Jahren die ürsprüngliche Herkunft meiner 
> Vorfahren aus dem Dobriner Land (unterhalb Westpreussen). Die ersten sollen 
> dort ca. 1700 eingewandert sein und vorwiegend aus den angrenzenden Gebieten 
> von West- und Ostpreussen gekommen sein. Meinen Familiennamen, der ja nicht 
> so häufig ist, habe ich aber zu der Zeit auch im Rheinland gefunden. Weiter 
> war der Name verbreitet in Posen und Schlesien. Das könnte für die 
> Wanderbewegung von West nach Ost sprechen.
> Nun schreibst du, dass du etwas gelesen hast über Siedler die Mitte des 
> 17.Jh. nach Polen ausgewandert sein sollen. Kannst du mir sagen wo du das 
> gelesen hast. Ich würde vermuten, dass es in den Staatsarchiven der Länder 
> Informationen zu Auswanderern gibt. Preussen hat schon früh Siedler aus 
> anderen deutschen Staaten angeworben.
> Das dies Mitte des 17Jh. stattgefunden haben soll ist mir neu.
> Freundliche Grüße aus Mecklenburg, Norbert Leide
> 
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> From: "Christopher Menke" <chrismenke at hotmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Westfalen migration (was: Re: Nosowiecze)
> 
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> >
> > Any comments on this....
> >
> > Is it POSSIBLE some of the Germans from Poland / Prussia / Volhynia went 
> > to Westfalen, Schleswig-Holstein and Lower Saxony because it was viewed as 
> > the old, yes way back, ancestral homeland, and therefore a place where 
> > they would feel they "fit in" as opposed to say Bavaria? I have read that 
> > many of the Germans in West Prussia / Poland came from those regions in 
> > the mid-1600's. Those areas were all under Prussia for a time also. Many 
> > of the -KE surnames seem to originate in that area also.
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> > Chris Menke
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> > From: PnSWork at aol.com
> > Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 20:01:53 -0400
> > Subject: Westfalen migration (was: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Nosowiecze)
> > To: chrismenke at hotmail.com; dhiller1 at gmx.de; heinrichrichter1 at aol.com
> > CC: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> >
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > The Ruhr industrial area was completely rebuilt after the war, so they 
> > had a lot of jobs to offer, and many people moved there as a result. My 
> > own relatives from the Plock region initially settled in Schleswig 
> > Holstein, but most of them quickly moved to Essen because that's where the 
> > jobs were.
> >
> > -Paul
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 8/29/2012 6:30:21 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, 
> > chrismenke at hotmail.com writes:
> >
> > I have been finding in my research that a LOT of the eastern Germans who 
> > did not go to the Americas following the World Wars went to 
> > Nordhein-Westfalen. I have numerous examples.
> > Chris Menke
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >> From: dhiller1 at gmx.de
> >> To: heinrichrichter1 at aol.com
> >> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 20:16:28 +0200
> >> CC: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> >> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] *** GMX Spamverdacht *** Nosowiecze
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > Westfalen is an area in Western Germany, Westphalia, see e.g. here:
> >> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westphalia
> >> > Herford is a not so big town there, see e.g. google maps:
> >> > http://maps.google.com/maps?q=herford
> >> > Number 14 could stand for the postal code, which was pretty short
> >> > once. However, maybe it was the house number, but then the name of the
> >> > street is missing. So I doubt it is.
> >> >
> >> > Dietmar
> >> >
> >> > Am Mittwoch, den 29.08.2012, 13:59 -0400 schrieb
> >> > heinrichrichter1 at aol.com:
> >> >
> >> > > Hello list Members:
> >> > > An old photo of a farm in our family photo collection has the name 
> >> > > Nosowiecze 1931 written on the back. Also on the back, but in very 
> >> > > different ink and handwriting is: Pauline Betker, Westfalen, Nr. 14, 
> >> > > Westfalen, Kreis Herford. My mother and father lived in Nosowiecze at 
> >> > > this time and until 1940 when they resettled to western Poland. My 
> >> > > two older brothers were born in Nosowiecze and although my mother's 
> >> > > maiden name was Betker I have been unable to make a connection with 
> >> > > Pauline Betker in our family history. Although the information 
> >> > > following Pauline Betker appears to be an address, I have had no luck 
> >> > > finding such an address in Germany. Any suggestions would be 
> >> > > appreciated.
> >> > > Heinrich Richter
> >> > >
> >> > >
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