[Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Fw: cilke

Albert Treichel albert.treichel at sympatico.ca
Thu Sep 11 08:14:18 PDT 2008 

To add to the mix, research (mainly by my cousin) has identified our great 
grandmother Maria with surname variously spelled as Cylkow (in a 
resettlement record), Cylke (in a parish record) and Zulke (in an EWZ 
stammblatt). She married Fryderyk Treichel. She appears to have been born 
about 1828 (whereabouts unknown), died at Chmielewo, Pultusk, Warsaw 
Province (sometime after birth of our grandfather Ludwig Treichel in 1864). 
Parish records also record other earlier births  for siblings of Ludwig.
This supports the discussion on multiple spellings of the surname and is 
further interesting in that Gabin and Chmielewo are not that far apart so 
the possibility exists that our Maria Cylkow and Leslie's Otto Cilke may be 
connected.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Leslie" <ladez41 at comcast.net>
To: "Gary Warner" <gary at warnerengineering.com>; <dabookk54 at yahoo.com>
Cc: <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 7:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Fw: cilke


> Thanks to everyone who sent response for my Cilke translation. Besides the 
> translation I received some other good tips to explore in trying to find 
> my Grandad's birth certificate.All help is so appreciated!
> Leslie
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: Gary Warner
>  To: dabookk54 at yahoo.com
>  Cc: Leslie ; hgillespie at rogers.com ; 
> ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
>  Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 9:19 PM
>  Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Fw: cilke
>
>
>  Leslie,
>
>  I did not take ownership of your letter, merely conveyed it for 
> translation.   Now that Helen and Karl have correctly noted that the 
> German spelling of Cilke, my head has been slapped a bit, and it makes me 
> wonder if the Polish archives checked only for Cilke, or whether they also 
> checked for Zielke.   It seems so obvious, but it would not hurt for you 
> to send an email to the archives in English and ask them if their search 
> for Cilke included the other variations of Zielke or Zilke or Ziehlke or 
> Zuelke (=Cylke or Cyl or Cielke) and even Cujak.  Make sure that you 
> reference the transaction number in your email so that they know that you 
> already paid for a search.
>
>  Gary
>
>  Karl Krueger wrote:
>          Cilke is the Polish spelling for Zielke. It is the different 
> phonics German and Polish use. The Polish C is like the German Z (or TZ) 
> which is pronounced as the English TS. If you see Z in German don't think 
> it gets pronounced like our Z. This is where it really helps to know the 
> phonics of your different languages. Those who  know only English should 
> think beyond the "English phonics" box.
>          Karl
>
>          --- On Sat, 9/6/08, Helen Gillespie <hgillespie at rogers.com> 
> wrote:
>
>            From: Helen Gillespie <hgillespie at rogers.com>
>            Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Fw: cilke
>            To: "Leslie" <ladez41 at comcast.net>, "Gary Warner" 
> <gary at warnerengineering.com>
>            Cc: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
>            Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 4:56 PM
>
>
> Leslie, Gary and others,
>
> It is also possible that the Cilke name has been changed from Zielke. 
> There
> were Zielke family in Wolhynia.
>
> In the 1911 census, there were Zielkes in both the Edmonton AB and Selkirk 
> MB
> areas.
>
> A search in Library and Archives Canada   www.collectionscanada.gc.ca   in 
> the
> general search engine for Zielke brought up 28 on the indexed immigration
> records from 1925-35 plus some in the Western Land grants.  Amongst other
> bits... but also several Cilke names also listed as Polish and German. 
> Some are
> border crossings.
>
> Worth checking as spellings were never consistent and the Z in German is
> pronounced as a soft C or TS as in tsar, never hard, as in zero or zebra.
>
> IMHO
>
> Helen
>
> --- On Wed, 9/3/08, Gary Warner <gary at warnerengineering.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Gary Warner <gary at warnerengineering.com>
>> Subject: Re:
> [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Fw: cilke
>> To: "Leslie" <ladez41 at comcast.net>
>> Cc: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
>> Received: Wednesday, September 3, 2008, 5:44 PM
>> Leslie,
>>
>> Here is your translation, courtesy of a friend of mine.
>>
>> Gary Warner
>>
>> Dear Ms. Leslie,
>> In response to your letter dated August 30, 2008 regarding
>> the
>> genealogical research pertaining Cilke family, the State
>> Archive in
>> Plock informs, that during the research under the requested
>> years in the
>> following files:
>> - vital statistics records of Evangelical-Augsburg parish
>> of Gabin
>> (1832-1937), birth records of 1890, 1898
>> a birth record of Otto Cilke was _not_ found.
>>
>> If you are interested to begin a genealogical research in
>> our archives,
>> according to the Regulation No. 1/2008 of the Director
> of
>> the State
>> Archive in Plock dated February 29, 2008 and regarding
>> conducts and
>> sponsorship of activities, please deposit
>> 40PLN"zloty" (about $20) of an
>> initial fee into the Archive's account at the National
>> Polish Bank (NBP)
>> Regional  Branch in Warsaw:
>> NBP Oddzial Okregowy w Warszawie
>> Account # NBP LPLPW 06 1010 1010 0493 9913 9150 0000
>>
>> The final cost will be calculated at the end of a research
>> based on the
>> following fees:
>> - 1 hour of research = 40PLN
>> - one-page copy = 3 PLN
>> - two-page copy = 6 PLN
>>
>> Vice-Director of the State Archive in Plock
>> Krystyna Banka
>>
>> Leslie wrote:
>> > Is there anyone that can translate the contents of
>> this letter?
>> > Much thanks in advance.
>> > Leslie
>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> > From:
> Leslie
>> > To: Leslie
>> > Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 8:53 AM
>> > Subject: cilke
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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