[Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Ger-Poland-Volhynia Digest, Vol 65, Issue 5

Mon Oct 6 00:08:21 PDT 2008

The relativity question puzzles me too! I wonder if the LDS have it right, 
and we are all descended from Adam and Eve......................my husband 
asked me very sarcastically the other evening if I had found Adam yet, and 
within a few minutes I had found an ancestor of his called Adam. Spooky. He 
doesn't share my enthusiasm for genealogy ( my husband, not Adam) but has 
been a treasure-trove of information about the area he was born and brought 
up in, South Yorkshire, its history, its industrial heritage and its 
somewhat soft borders with Derbyshire.He was a great walker as a lad, and 
unwittingly has walked  to and from many of the villages where his ancestors 
lived and worked and died.

As for genealogy programmes, I am using a free version of My Heritage's 
Family Tree Builder. Once I'd worked out how to get rid of the dreadful 
Victorian silhouettes, and change the baby-blue and knicker-pink colours 
allocated for male and female, it isn't too bad. I might buy the full 
version. It also gives you the relationship between people - at the moment I 
have my husband set as the 'home' person so I can irritate him by telling 
him I've found another gggg auntie by marriage three times removed. I do 
quite like it.The only irritation it has is that it keeps asking if I wish 
to publish the tree, and I don't - it gets on my nerves a bit.

It will provide a written report on any person you choose to set.

I also got  quite a clear and attractive chart of my father-in-law's direct 
ancestors: he died in 1999 but had never known much of his family. My 
mother-in-law had been intrigued for years as to who her husband's father's 
people had been: well, now she knows some of them.

Regards to everyone

Anne
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>   1. Re: Re "Theory of Relativity" (Robert Norenberg)
>   2. Re: Re "Theory of Relativity" (Robert Norenberg)
>   3. Legacy Genealogy program (Rose Ingram)
>   4. Re: Re surname Radisch (Spaghettitree at aol.com)
>   5. Re: Re "Theory of Relativity" (G?nther B?hm)
>   6. Re: Re "Theory of Relativity" (Gary Warner)
>   7. Re: Re "Theory of Relativity" (G?nther B?hm)
>   8. Re: Figuring Relationships - Familie SONNENBURG (Earl.Schultz)
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> Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 13:45:11 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Robert Norenberg <robertnorenberg at yahoo.ca>
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Re "Theory of Relativity"
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
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> Hi Cathy?? There are two versions of Legacy (Standard and Deluxe). The 
> Standard version is free and is excellent. A few years ago it was 
> recommended to me by someone at SGGEE because when I sent in my family 
> file using Family Tree Maker it was scrambled after importing it from 
> GEDCOM.This cannot happen with Legacy.?I am completely impressed by Legacy 
> now and would never go back to FTM.?It has a function that allows you to 
> select anyone from the file and then Legacy will calculate how that 
> certain person is related to everyone else in the file. The relationship 
> is then inserted above all the names of everyone in the file with a blood 
> connection and in Version?7 (the latest update) it also tracks non- 
> related relationships as well. I had to have the Deluxe version?because it 
> has a few extra "bells and whistles". I strongly recommend trying it (it's 
> free so nothing to loose). Also, the search functions are outstanding.?? 
> Cheers Robert???
> --- On Fri, 10/3/08, Cathy Walters <walters.cathy at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> From: Cathy Walters <walters.cathy at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Re "Theory of Relativity"
> To: robertnorenberg at yahoo.ca
> Received: Friday, October 3, 2008, 4:03 PM
>
>
> Robert Hi, Can you explain to me what is Legacy? Is it free? Is it 
> good-easy and allows all kinds of info on each family? I hear it mention 
> before,but don't think I heard that it tells when you find a name that it 
> tells you are related.That would be special ! Thanks Cathy
>
> Robert Norenberg <robertnorenberg at yahoo.ca> wrote:
> I have been extracting one small village from 1550-1925 in Wuerttemberg. 
> What surprised me the most was the fact that I was related to almost 95 
> percent of the entire population down through the ages. I use Legacy so it 
> lets me know if and how I am related to any one person in my file. This 
> was only one ggg grandmother's family and I calculated I had about 15,000 
> blood relatives (albeit many distant cousins). I can only imagine how many 
> "relatives" we all would have if we were able to track every branch. In 
> theory I always suspected we were all connected but this extraction 
> project proved it for me. Cheers Robert
>
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> Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 13:47:12 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Robert Norenberg <robertnorenberg at yahoo.ca>
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Re "Theory of Relativity"
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
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> Hi Marcia  I have not come across this name at all. I would try 
> familysearch.org to see if there is an area where this name may be 
> prevalent.  Cheers Robert
>
> --- On Fri, 10/3/08, Marcia Oliveira <marciaradis at msn.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Marcia Oliveira <marciaradis at msn.com>
>> Subject: RE: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Re "Theory of Relativity"
>> To: robertnorenberg at yahoo.ca
>> Received: Friday, October 3, 2008, 3:42 PM
>> Hi Robert,
>>
>> I'm looking for Radis or Radisch surname. Have you seen
>> any name like August Radis in your researches in
>> Wuerttemberg? Any help will be appreciate.
>> Marcia RadisPhoenix> Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 10:27:45
>> -0700> From: robertnorenberg at yahoo.ca> To:
>> ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org> Subject:
>> [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Re "Theory of
>> Relativity"> > I have been extracting one small
>> village from 1550-1925 in Wuerttemberg. What surprised me
>> the most was the fact that I was related to almost 95
>> percent of the entire population down through the ages. I
>> use Legacy so it lets me know if and how I am related to any
>> one person in my file. This was only one ggg
>> grandmother's family and I calculated I had about 15,000
>> blood relatives (albeit many distant cousins). I can only
>> imagine how many "relatives" we all would have if
>> we were able to track every branch. In theory I always
>> suspected we were all connected but this extraction project
>> proved it for me. Cheers Robert > > >
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> Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 14:16:31 -0700
> From: "Rose Ingram" <roseingram at shaw.ca>
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Legacy Genealogy program
> To: <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
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> There has been some discussion about the Legacy Genealogy program.  I too 
> switched several years ago to this program from the PAF program.
>
> You can read up on it and download the free standard version at 
> http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/
>
> Also note there is free training video you can view for beginners to 
> Legacy.
>
> Rose Ingram
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 17:16:13 EDT
> From: Spaghettitree at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Re surname Radisch
> To: robertnorenberg at yahoo.ca, ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
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> Hi - According to Bahlow's Dictionary of German Names, consider this:
>
> Radighk.  Radicke is East German-Slavic short form of Radoslaw (Ratzlaff)
> like Budig for Budislaw.  Likewise Ranusch, R?disch [Raedisch], R?dsch 
> [Raedsch]
> (Lithuanian Radischat).  Also see place name R?disch in Bohemia, Moravia
> (older:  Gradisch Hradisch), hence Hensel Redischer, Br?nn 1343.
>
> As with most of our names, there is no single "correct" spelling, since 
> there
> were no "rules" (once in the 18th century, I believe, which didn't work) 
> and
> again late in the 19th century, early 20th which finally began to take 
> hold
> (but by no means for everyone) around 1910-1920.   Listen to the sounds, 
> rather
> than the spellings and follow the evolutions.
>
> Maureen Schoenky
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 23:41:03 +0200
> From: G?nther B?hm <GHBoehm at ish.de>
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Re "Theory of Relativity"
> Cc: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
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> Marcia Oliveira schrieb:
>
>> I'm looking for Radis or Radisch surname. Have you seen
>> any name like August Radis in your researches in
>> Wuerttemberg? Any help will be appreciate.
>>
> Hello Marcia,
> RADISCH isn't a German but a Czech or Slovenian name. It originates in
> one of the various eponymous towns and villages in Bohemia, Styria or
> Slovenia.
>
> In Bohemia:
>
>    Radisch = Hradi?t?
>    Langenradisch = Dlouh? Hradi?t?
>    Scheibenradisch = Okrouhl? Hradi?t?
>    Ungarisch Hradisch = Uhersk? Hradi?t?
>
> Hradi?t? = Burgst?tte = ruinous castle
> hrad = Burg, Pfalz = castle, palace
>
> Even the name of the Northern Italian town of Gradisca, Friuli [old
> German: Gradis am Sontig, 10 km from the Slovenian border] comes from
> the same origin.
>
> G?nther
> from Hilden, Germany
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 14:57:57 -0700
> From: Gary Warner <gary at warnerengineering.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Re "Theory of Relativity"
> To: Marcia Oliveira <marciaradis at msn.com>
> Cc: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Message-ID: <48E93865.7030704 at warnerengineering.com>
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> Marcia,
>
> We have data on 86 different Radis names in our Master Pedigree
> Database, but no Radisch names.    If you can tell us a bit more of the
> names and dates and places associated with your Radis family, perhaps we
> can help you.
>
> Gary Warner
> SGGEE
>
> Robert Norenberg wrote:
>> Hi Marcia  I have not come across this name at all. I would try 
>> familysearch.org to see if there is an area where this name may be 
>> prevalent.  Cheers Robert
>>
>> --- On Fri, 10/3/08, Marcia Oliveira <marciaradis at msn.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> From: Marcia Oliveira <marciaradis at msn.com>
>>> Subject: RE: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Re "Theory of Relativity"
>>> To: robertnorenberg at yahoo.ca
>>> Received: Friday, October 3, 2008, 3:42 PM
>>> Hi Robert,
>>>
>>> I'm looking for Radis or Radisch surname. Have you seen
>>> any name like August Radis in your researches in
>>> Wuerttemberg? Any help will be appreciate.
>>> Marcia RadisPhoenix> Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 10:27:45
>>> -0700> From: robertnorenberg at yahoo.ca> To:
>>> ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org> Subject:
>>> [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Re "Theory of
>>> Relativity"> > I have been extracting one small
>>> village from 1550-1925 in Wuerttemberg. What surprised me
>>> the most was the fact that I was related to almost 95
>>> percent of the entire population down through the ages. I
>>> use Legacy so it lets me know if and how I am related to any
>>> one person in my file. This was only one ggg
>>> grandmother's family and I calculated I had about 15,000
>>> blood relatives (albeit many distant cousins). I can only
>>> imagine how many "relatives" we all would have if
>>> we were able to track every branch. In theory I always
>>> suspected we were all connected but this extraction project
>>> proved it for me. Cheers Robert > > >
>>> __________________________________________________________________>
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>>> bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 00:18:12 +0200
> From: G?nther B?hm <GHBoehm at ish.de>
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Re "Theory of Relativity"
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
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> G?nther B?hm schrieb:
>> RADISCH isn't a German but a Czech or Slovenian name. It originates in
>> one of the various eponymous towns and villages in Bohemia, Styria or
>> Slovenia.
>>
>> In Bohemia:
>>
>>     Radisch = Hradi?t?
>>     Langenradisch = Dlouh? Hradi?t?
>>     Scheibenradisch = Okrouhl? Hradi?t?
>>     Ungarisch Hradisch = Uhersk? Hradi?t?
>>
>> Hradi?t? = Burgst?tte = ruinous castle
>> hrad = Burg, Pfalz = castle, palace
>>
> Marcia,
> forgot something:
> The Slavian name origin of the location doesn't mean that its inhabitant
> to whom the name was imposed was likewise of Slavian origin. To the
> contrary the German abrasion and spelling ['?t?' -> 'sch' which is
> German, not Slavian] indicats that he was German.
>
> G?nther
>
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 23:48:15 -0500
> From: "Earl.Schultz" <Earl.Schultz at telusplanet.net>
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Figuring Relationships - Familie
> SONNENBURG
> To: <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
> Message-ID: <86990C11204D4C23B44899B562F35465 at Desktop>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
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>
> Sonnenburg is also a common name (about 21) in the Rypin-Michalki Parish
> records.  Let me know if this interests you.
>
> Earl
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 05:54:19 -0500
> From: Nancy Gertner <nancygertner at mac.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Figuring Relationships - Familie
> SONNENBURG
> To: Leo Sonnenberg <sonnal at shaw.ca>
> Cc: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Message-ID: <39C30D92-CDB9-4FD1-B1BA-FCE28B19166A at mac.com>
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>
> My cousin sang this song at a family reunion, and I also thought of it 
> when
> you posted this query.
>
> My GEDCOM program, Family Tree Maker, does charts that show relationships.
>
> My family tree includes a female SONNENBURG ancestor born about 200 years
> ago, so I've researched this name, and collected' all the
> Sonnenburgs / Sonnenbergs I found when looking at church records.
> During a trip to Poland in 2005, I found a headstone Zonnenburg that 
> showed
> how the name was 'Polishized' when the area was 'resettled'
> after WWII.
>
> My Prussian ancestors lived in Posen Province (Poznan) and the Lutheran
> parish records I looked at were Schokken and Revier.
>
> Nancy in Minnesota
>
>
> On Oct 2, 2008, at 10:24 PM, Leo Sonnenberg wrote:
>
>>
>> Thank you one and all for your responses to my query re family
>> relationships. Genealogical relationships have been a mystery to me so
>> the information is interesting and illuminating. However, as I was
>> reading your comments I was reminded of a pop song recorded by Guy
>> Lombardo in 1948, written by Dwight Latham and Moe Jaffe entitled "I'm
>> My Own Grandpa". The song is based on the following:
>> A Proof that a Man can be His Own Grandfather.---There was a widow and
>> her daughter-in-law, a man and her daughter-in-law, and man and his
>> son.
>> The widow married the son, and the daughter the old gentleman. The
>> widow was therefore mother to her husband's father, and consequently
>> grandmother to her own husband. They had a son, to which she was a
>> great-grandmother: now, as the son of a great-grandmother must be
>> either a grandfather or great-uncle, this boy was one or the other. He
>> was his own grandfather! This was the case with a boy at school at
>> Norwich.---Hood's Magazine.
>>
>> You can Google the title and find several links that will play the
>> song.
>>
>> Leo Sonnenberg
>>
>>
>>
>
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