[Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Mantay and Driesner families

[Jorge Driesner]

Gary, Jerry, Sig,

You are wonderfull!!! Thank you a lot. I have no words, because we are
searching for years and
never found so many usefull information. I will later ask you for
recomendations about a good
translator of the documents of my family, when it arrives from the USA,
where my uncle has it.

But I dont find the Google Map reference for the city near Goldap... but you
all gived me a big
light to find a direction to continue searching...

These maps you searched, they exist online? Do you know that the village of
Pulin in Volynia still
exist? Maybe a travel to Poland will be a good thing... :-)

Well, in Spain we dont have old german inmigration, only in these last 20
years, following the sun
and the spanish beach. ;-)

Thank you again and best regards,
Jorge Driesner

2008/8/29 Jerry Frank <FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca>

> Welcome to our mailing list, Jorge.  I believe you are the first person to
> ever write from Spain.
>
> Sig has provided you with excellent information concerning East Prussia.  I
> will not comment further about that.  It seems that you are mixing in some
> things about Volhynia and that is what I will comment about.
>
> Volhynia was never part of Prussia.  Though most Volhynian Germans were
> from Russian Poland, there were significant numbers that arrived from East
> Prussia.  After about 1900, there were also significant numbers that
> returned from Volhynia to East Prussia.  They spent several years there
> before moving on to North and South America.
>
> You state that David was born at Pullin, Oletzko.  Since Oletzko was in
> East Prussia, I am guessing that your data is mixed up a little because
> there was a Pulin in Volhynia.  So:
>
> - around 1900, your family was still living in Volhynia, Russia (today
> northwestern Ukraine), perhaps near Pulin
>
> - by 1911, they had moved to the region of Oletzko, East Prussia.
>
> The Driesner, Felbel, and Mantai surnames can all be found in Volhynia.
>  You can search the extracted records yourself at
> http://www.odessa3.org/collections/stpete/volhynia/ .  Unfortunately, they
> stop at 1885.  After that time, and for the region around Pulin, no further
> records are available.  It may, therefore, be very difficult for you to make
> progress.
>
> As for the specific village of Prascoff in Volhynia, I am unable to find a
> reliable match.  It appears to be so badly misspelled that I cannot even
> guess at what it might be.
>
>
> Jerry Frank - Calgary, Alberta
> FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca
>
>
>  At 12:25 AM 28/08/2008, Sig Matt wrote:
>
>> Hi Jorge,
>>
>> Re: "the baptism certificate in german.... Marggrabova instead of Oletzko"
>>
>>
>> My Städte Atlas Ostpreußen, by Fritz R. Barran, shows Treuburg at the SE
>> corner of Eastprussia, near the Polish border, before 1945.
>> It states: 'until 1928 Marggrabova (in german Markgrafenstadt) Kreisstadt,
>> (County Seat) 1939 population = 7114, mostly Evangelical.
>> It had Germany's largest market square=7 ha or 28 Morgen.
>> Treuburg was considered Eastprussia's coldest city.
>> Today the Sistercity (Patenstadt)  in Gremany is Leverkusen'. (Near the
>> City of Cologne).
>>
>> The ShtetlSeeker shows: "Oletzko, Marggrabova, Margrabova, Treuburg."
>> A 1878- 1918 Ostpreußen (Eastprussia) map shows it as Oletzko.
>> The post 1945 maps spells it this way: Olecko.
>> The ShtetlSeeker cannot find Czychen.
>>
>> A further search of the Städte Atlas reveals that on 7-16-1938 the name of
>> the town Czychen was changend to Bolken.
>> Then a ShtetlSeeker search shows "Bolken, Cichi, Gzychen", on the Google
>> map, at a spot 27 km due south of the city of Goldap.
>> Be aware that all this is on former Eastprussian territory. Since 1945 it
>> is Polish.
>> I have not had the time to see if Pullin is also in this vicinity.
>> If you have more questions feel free to contact me directly.
>>
>> Sig Matt
>>  sigmatt at sbcglobal.net
>>
>> ---- Original Message ----
>> From: Jorge Driesner <jorge at driesner.org>
>> To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 1:53:46 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Mantay and Driesner families
>>
>> Hi Gary,
>>
>> Thanks for the reply, so I will send more data to help it out.
>>
>> My grandgrandmother, Natalie Mantey (daugther of Adolf Mantey and Paulina
>> Mantey) was born at Prascoff Wolynia Prusia at that time part of the
>> Russian
>> Empire, until I find info, at 26 September 1901. She was baptised (sorry I
>> dont know how to write this word) at 30 September 1911 on the Evangelische
>> Kirche Czychen (Kr. Oletzko). The baptism certificate is writed in german,
>> because they call the place Marggrabova instead of Oletzko. I guess that
>> on
>> that time the Oletzko region was outside Prusia Kingdom and was part of
>> the
>> Russian Empire, right?
>>
>> My grandgrandfather, Davide Driesner (son of Daniel Driesner and Cristina
>> Felbelt) was born at Pullin Oletzko, but I dont can find information about
>> this litle village, to define if it was on Prusia Kingdom or into Russian
>> Empire, on 7 March 1898. Davide had the brothers and sisters: Daniel,
>> Assav,
>> Adina, Marta and Eugenia.
>>
>> They was married on Evangelische Kirche Czychen (Kr. Oletzko) on 14 June
>> 1924 and emigrated from Hamburg to Porto Alegre, Brazil around 1925.
>>
>> What I'm really looking for is to determine the nationality of them,
>> finding
>> his original places etc, and then searching more about his fathers,
>> grandfathers and so on until find the fist Driesner family
>>
>> Thank you very much for any help,
>>
>> Jorge Driesner
>>
>>
>>
>> 2008/8/26 Gary Warner <gary at warnerengineering.com>
>>
>> > Jorge,
>> >
>> > Can you provide more specifics on the people that you are looking for?
>> > Names, dates and places?
>> >
>> > Gary Warner
>> >
>> > Jorge Driesner wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi there,
>> >>
>> >> I'm also a new member of the list and are seeking for my
>> grandgrandfather,
>> >> but they born
>> >> after 1895. My grandgrandmother born in Prascoff, Volhynia, but my
>> >> grandgrandfather in
>> >> Pullin, Oletzko.
>> >>
>> >> So, my questions goes in direction to try to find his married and birth
>> >> doc's after that date,
>> >> asking you some guidance on where to seek information about that region
>> in
>> >> the early
>> >> 1900's (1898 for him and 1901 for her).
>> >>
>> >> Thanks a lot,
>> >> Jorge Driesner
>> >> Madrid, Spain.
>>
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