[Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Mantay and Driesner families

[Jerry Frank]

Welcome to our mailing list, Jorge.  I believe 
you are the first person to ever write from Spain.

Sig has provided you with excellent information 
concerning East Prussia.  I will not comment 
further about that.  It seems that you are mixing 
in some things about Volhynia and that is what I will comment about.

Volhynia was never part of Prussia.  Though most 
Volhynian Germans were from Russian Poland, there 
were significant numbers that arrived from East 
Prussia.  After about 1900, there were also 
significant numbers that returned from Volhynia 
to East Prussia.  They spent several years there 
before moving on to North and South America.

You state that David was born at Pullin, 
Oletzko.  Since Oletzko was in East Prussia, I am 
guessing that your data is mixed up a little 
because there was a Pulin in Volhynia.  So:

- around 1900, your family was still living in 
Volhynia, Russia (today northwestern Ukraine), perhaps near Pulin

- by 1911, they had moved to the region of Oletzko, East Prussia.

The Driesner, Felbel, and Mantai surnames can all 
be found in Volhynia.  You can search the 
extracted records yourself at 
http://www.odessa3.org/collections/stpete/volhynia/ 
.  Unfortunately, they stop at 1885.  After that 
time, and for the region around Pulin, no further 
records are available.  It may, therefore, be 
very difficult for you to make progress.

As for the specific village of Prascoff in 
Volhynia, I am unable to find a reliable 
match.  It appears to be so badly misspelled that 
I cannot even guess at what it might be.


Jerry Frank - Calgary, Alberta
FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca


At 12:25 AM 28/08/2008, Sig Matt wrote:
>Hi Jorge,
>
>Re: "the baptism certificate in german.... Marggrabova instead of Oletzko"
>
>
>My Städte Atlas Ostpreußen, by Fritz R. Barran, 
>shows Treuburg at the SE corner of Eastprussia, 
>near the Polish border, before 1945.
>It states: 'until 1928 Marggrabova (in german 
>Markgrafenstadt) Kreisstadt, (County Seat) 1939 
>population = 7114, mostly Evangelical.
>It had Germany's largest market square=7 ha or 28 Morgen.
>Treuburg was considered Eastprussia's coldest city.
>Today the Sistercity (Patenstadt)  in Gremany is 
>Leverkusen'. (Near the City of Cologne).
>
>The ShtetlSeeker shows: "Oletzko, Marggrabova, Margrabova, Treuburg."
>A 1878- 1918 Ostpreußen (Eastprussia) map shows it as Oletzko.
>The post 1945 maps spells it this way: Olecko.
>The ShtetlSeeker cannot find Czychen.
>
>A further search of the Städte Atlas reveals 
>that on 7-16-1938 the name of the town Czychen was changend to Bolken.
>Then a ShtetlSeeker search shows "Bolken, Cichi, 
>Gzychen", on the Google map, at a spot 27 km due south of the city of Goldap.
>Be aware that all this is on former Eastprussian 
>territory. Since 1945 it is Polish.
>I have not had the time to see if Pullin is also in this vicinity.
>If you have more questions feel free to contact me directly.
>
>Sig Matt
>  sigmatt at sbcglobal.net
>
>---- Original Message ----
>From: Jorge Driesner <jorge at driesner.org>
>To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
>Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 1:53:46 PM
>Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Mantay and Driesner families
>
>Hi Gary,
>
>Thanks for the reply, so I will send more data to help it out.
>
>My grandgrandmother, Natalie Mantey (daugther of Adolf Mantey and Paulina
>Mantey) was born at Prascoff Wolynia Prusia at that time part of the Russian
>Empire, until I find info, at 26 September 1901. She was baptised (sorry I
>dont know how to write this word) at 30 September 1911 on the Evangelische
>Kirche Czychen (Kr. Oletzko). The baptism certificate is writed in german,
>because they call the place Marggrabova instead of Oletzko. I guess that on
>that time the Oletzko region was outside Prusia Kingdom and was part of the
>Russian Empire, right?
>
>My grandgrandfather, Davide Driesner (son of Daniel Driesner and Cristina
>Felbelt) was born at Pullin Oletzko, but I dont can find information about
>this litle village, to define if it was on Prusia Kingdom or into Russian
>Empire, on 7 March 1898. Davide had the brothers and sisters: Daniel, Assav,
>Adina, Marta and Eugenia.
>
>They was married on Evangelische Kirche Czychen (Kr. Oletzko) on 14 June
>1924 and emigrated from Hamburg to Porto Alegre, Brazil around 1925.
>
>What I'm really looking for is to determine the nationality of them, finding
>his original places etc, and then searching more about his fathers,
>grandfathers and so on until find the fist Driesner family
>
>Thank you very much for any help,
>
>Jorge Driesner
>
>
>
>2008/8/26 Gary Warner <gary at warnerengineering.com>
>
> > Jorge,
> >
> > Can you provide more specifics on the people that you are looking for?
> > Names, dates and places?
> >
> > Gary Warner
> >
> > Jorge Driesner wrote:
> >
> >> Hi there,
> >>
> >> I'm also a new member of the list and are seeking for my grandgrandfather,
> >> but they born
> >> after 1895. My grandgrandmother born in Prascoff, Volhynia, but my
> >> grandgrandfather in
> >> Pullin, Oletzko.
> >>
> >> So, my questions goes in direction to try to find his married and birth
> >> doc's after that date,
> >> asking you some guidance on where to seek information about that region in
> >> the early
> >> 1900's (1898 for him and 1901 for her).
> >>
> >> Thanks a lot,
> >> Jorge Driesner
> >> Madrid, Spain.