[Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Julian and Gregorian Dates in Lipno

[Gary Warner]

Nelson,

You are doing it the correct way.   Please continue.

Gary

At 08:10 PM 8/17/2006, Nelson Itterman wrote:
>Hello All:
>In my family tree file I enter all my birth dates  like today 17 Aug 2006. I
>guess I'm just an old fashioned boy, having been born on 15 May 1924 in
>Volhynia. That way you do not have to guess or interpret.
>Nelson
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org
>[mailto:ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org] On Behalf Of Rose
>Ingram
>Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 4:34 PM
>To: Earl.Schultz; ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
>Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Julian and Gregorian Dates in Lipno
>
>It may be easier to solve the problem if every one type the month in
>abbreciated form instead of using a number, no matter what order we use or
>what genealogy program we use.   :-)
>
>Rose Ingram
>-------
>
>From: "Earl.Schultz" <Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 2:30 PM
>
> >
> > Gary & Others,
> >
> > You made an interesting comment with respect to writing dates as
> > 12/06/1900
> > and I'm surprised we haven't resolved this matter once and for all.  The
> > International Standards Association (or whatever they are called) has
> > accepted the format YYYY/MM/DD or 1900/06/12 (1900 June 12).  Years ago as
>
> > a
> > member of the Ontario Genealogical Society I participated in a survey that
> > resulted in them deciding to write all dates as YYYY/MM/DD.  I believe
> > that
> > Salt Lake City has also accepted that format.  It does not lead to
> > misunderstandings (or at least much less chance) and all other time is
> > written from largest to smallest as in HH:MM:SS (hours/minutes/seconds).
> > It
> > is about time all genealogists adopt this format for the sake of accuracy.
> >
> > Earl Schultz
> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 10:49:54 -0700
> > From: Gary Warner <gary at warnerengineering.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Julian and Gregorian Dates in Lipno
> > Records
> > To: "LMPauling" <lmpauling at utech.net>, "SGGEE Mailing List"
> > <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
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> > Linda,
> >
> > I am certainly no expert on the use of the two
> > calendars, but I will take a stab at it.
> >
> > First, there is a nifty calendar converter at
> > http://www.calendarhome.com/converter/
> >
> > For those of you not familiar with the two
> > calendars, there are also written discussions on
> > the two calendars at a number of places,
> > including
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_calendar
> > The Russians continued to use the old calendar until after World War I.
> >
> > Second, my guess is that in the early 1800s in
> > Poland that the date being used was the old
> > Julian calendar, but I do not know for certain,
> > since most of the rest of Europe had already
> > changed to the modern Gregorian calendar by that
> > time.    Do you have records where the same
> > pastor suddenly changed from using both dates to
> > only a single date?   If so, you may be able to
> > determine which calendar he was using at that
> > time if the next entry was less than two weeks later.
> >
> > Finally, why are you supposing that you need
> > anyone's permission to record a date based on
> > either calendar?    Yes, we would like to get all
> > of the dates based on the same calendar, but I
> > have no idea which calendar anyone is using when
> > they give SGGEE data.    The only dates that I am
> > pretty sure are correct are those where they
> > provide both dates for the event.    Not all
> > family history programs will do that,
> > however.      I believe that most people are
> > using the Gregorian date when submitting data,
> > but that is only a guess until I see that date
> > conflict with a date submitted by someone else.
> >
> > One last thing, and not directly related to your
> > questions Linda.   I am seeing some date
> > conflicts in the data submitted by members.    It
> > is very apparent that some of you, who shall
> > remain unnamed, are taking notes in short hand
> > when copying dates from other records.    Those
> > unnamed people are obviously making hand written
> > notes that say something like 12/06/1900.   The
> > problem is that this date can mean two different
> > dates, depending on which part of the world you
> > live in.    In some parts of the world, the above
> > date is December 6, 1900, and in other places the
> > date is June 12, 1900.    NEVER, NEVER, NEVER use
> > such short hand notations.   If you do, your data
> > entry will likely be incorrect.
> >
> > Gary Warner
> >
> >
> >
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