[Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Julian and Gregorian Dates in Lipno

[Nelson Itterman]

Hello All:
In my family tree file I enter all my birth dates  like today 17 Aug 2006. I
guess I'm just an old fashioned boy, having been born on 15 May 1924 in
Volhynia. That way you do not have to guess or interpret.
Nelson

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Ingram
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 4:34 PM
To: Earl.Schultz; ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Julian and Gregorian Dates in Lipno

It may be easier to solve the problem if every one type the month in 
abbreciated form instead of using a number, no matter what order we use or 
what genealogy program we use.   :-)

Rose Ingram
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From: "Earl.Schultz" <Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 2:30 PM

>
> Gary & Others,
>
> You made an interesting comment with respect to writing dates as 
> 12/06/1900
> and I'm surprised we haven't resolved this matter once and for all.  The
> International Standards Association (or whatever they are called) has
> accepted the format YYYY/MM/DD or 1900/06/12 (1900 June 12).  Years ago as

> a
> member of the Ontario Genealogical Society I participated in a survey that
> resulted in them deciding to write all dates as YYYY/MM/DD.  I believe 
> that
> Salt Lake City has also accepted that format.  It does not lead to
> misunderstandings (or at least much less chance) and all other time is
> written from largest to smallest as in HH:MM:SS (hours/minutes/seconds). 
> It
> is about time all genealogists adopt this format for the sake of accuracy.
>
> Earl Schultz
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 10:49:54 -0700
> From: Gary Warner <gary at warnerengineering.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Julian and Gregorian Dates in Lipno
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> Linda,
>
> I am certainly no expert on the use of the two
> calendars, but I will take a stab at it.
>
> First, there is a nifty calendar converter at
> http://www.calendarhome.com/converter/
>
> For those of you not familiar with the two
> calendars, there are also written discussions on
> the two calendars at a number of places,
> including
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_calendar
> The Russians continued to use the old calendar until after World War I.
>
> Second, my guess is that in the early 1800s in
> Poland that the date being used was the old
> Julian calendar, but I do not know for certain,
> since most of the rest of Europe had already
> changed to the modern Gregorian calendar by that
> time.    Do you have records where the same
> pastor suddenly changed from using both dates to
> only a single date?   If so, you may be able to
> determine which calendar he was using at that
> time if the next entry was less than two weeks later.
>
> Finally, why are you supposing that you need
> anyone's permission to record a date based on
> either calendar?    Yes, we would like to get all
> of the dates based on the same calendar, but I
> have no idea which calendar anyone is using when
> they give SGGEE data.    The only dates that I am
> pretty sure are correct are those where they
> provide both dates for the event.    Not all
> family history programs will do that,
> however.      I believe that most people are
> using the Gregorian date when submitting data,
> but that is only a guess until I see that date
> conflict with a date submitted by someone else.
>
> One last thing, and not directly related to your
> questions Linda.   I am seeing some date
> conflicts in the data submitted by members.    It
> is very apparent that some of you, who shall
> remain unnamed, are taking notes in short hand
> when copying dates from other records.    Those
> unnamed people are obviously making hand written
> notes that say something like 12/06/1900.   The
> problem is that this date can mean two different
> dates, depending on which part of the world you
> live in.    In some parts of the world, the above
> date is December 6, 1900, and in other places the
> date is June 12, 1900.    NEVER, NEVER, NEVER use
> such short hand notations.   If you do, your data
> entry will likely be incorrect.
>
> Gary Warner
>
>
>
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