[Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Re: Ger-Poland-Volhynia Digest, Vol 2, Issue 1
Van
vandel at ix.netcom.com
Tue Jul 1 12:57:14 PDT 2003
I found the reference to a Jewish underground intriguing, because in notes
related to my grandmother's escape from Russia, they were aided by a "jew"
who transported them from Warsaw to a place near Zagorow, Poland where they
crossed by bribing the border guards.
L. Van de Bruggen
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> 1. FW: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Re: Ellis Island question (srlists)
> 2. Newly designed AHSGR website (Jerry Frank)
> 3. Re: Leaving Volhynia for USA (Carolpauly at aol.com)
> 4. Fw: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Re: Leaving Volhynia for USA (bfand)
> 5. Re: Re: Leaving Volhynia for USA (gary and rhonda simpson)
> 6. Fwd: FW: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Re: Ellis Island question
> (TRecks1999 at aol.com)
> 7. Re: Jewish Underground R.R. Volhynia (Jerry Frank)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 13:22:52 -0700
> From: "srlists" <srlists at eipertinfo.com>
> Subject: FW: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Re: Ellis Island question
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> Ancestry.com has a free 14 day trial on their passenger list databases -
> http://distantcousin.com/f/Passenger3.html . You could look for the
> ship/person there
>
> Other good places to look to try to verify/identify the exact ship name
and
> arrival are:
> http://www.cimorelli.com/safe/shipmenu.htm
> http://www.fortunecity.com/littleitaly/amalfi/13/ships.htm
>
> Once you have identified the ship exactly, you may be able to find the
> person on the ellis island site. I had a relative whose name, Kopp, was
> misspelled as Ropp on the ellis island database.
>
> Or even if you can't exactly identify the ship, the microfilmed passenger
> manifests for NY (get from LDS Family History Library or National
Archives)
> should help since you have the date and arrival port information.
>
> I've discovered various traveling companions for relatives by noting who
is
> listed next to them on the passenger manifests - or people from the same
> town on the same ship.
>
> Sue Eipert
> Eipert Information Services
> seipert at eipertinfo.com
> http://www.eipertinfo.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org
> [mailto:ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org]On Behalf Of
> GVLESS at aol.com
> Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 10:14 AM
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Re: Jewish Underground R.R. Volhynia
>
>
> Since there is some interest on this listserv about finding more details
on
> a
> possible
> Jewish Underground R.R. out of Volhynia in the early part of the 20th
> century
> perhaps someone here knows of a good Jewish website where queries such as
> this could be sent. Maybe that source might be of help.
>
> One other thing I am puzzled with on my husband's Father's "escape" in
> 1903 -
> how could he have gotten on a ship in Germany to immigrate over and thru
> Ellis Island without identity papers (other than just his Confirmation
> paper)? If
> he had anything else, of course, searching family memorabilia did not
> provide
> any other item re his immigration. Would he have had a "passport"?
> Another
> family story has surfaced with the fact that he did not cross the Atlantic
> alone but was with a family group, names unknown. His naturalization
record
> does give the date of arrival at Ellis Island and a ship name that is not
> spelled
> as one on their lists. Are there any suggestions in how to find someone
> like this? I've tried the Ellis Island website, found several Less names
> (which
> tells me the name is not so unusual) but nothing for Freidrich Less, age
18,
> arriving 1903. I've tried bracketed years as well. Without the family
name
> he
> was supposed to be with I guess this may be difficult to locate the actual
> info on Freidrich. Any suggestions here for climbing over this "brick
> wall"?
>
> Again, thanks all of you for listenning. Research success always depends
on
> lots of people like you.
> Sincerely,
> Virginia Less
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 19:00:39 -0600
> From: Jerry Frank <GPVListAdmin at sggee.org>
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Newly designed AHSGR website
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
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> The AHSGR website (American Historical Society of Germans from Russia) has
> been redesigned and I must say that they have done a nice job. It is
> attractive and easy to navigate. If you are interested, have a look at:
>
> http://www.ahsgr.org
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 02:48:50 EDT
> From: Carolpauly at aol.com
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Re: Leaving Volhynia for USA
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
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> Our grandfather, Frederich Johann Weich, was born in Peresolup, served in
the
> Russian army fighting the Turks. He came home on leave saying he could
not
> stand anymore bloodshed. Grandmother packed his clothes and he left for
the USA
> in 1888. He didn't seem to have any trouble but of course he was AWOL.
> Grandmother sold their farm, paying someone to get her, her three children
and
> her elderly mother, safely across the border. We have never heard of the
Jewish
> underground, have no idea how she got to Hamburg. She sailed on the SS
> City of New York from Hamburg to Liverpool, England and then on to the
USA.
> Records show that almost all the ships leaving Hamburg stopped at
Liverpool
> before coming to New York.
>
> Is Bob Fandrich correct that there was no problem getting out of Russia
at
> that time or might it have been because her husband was AWOL that she had
to
> travel in secrecy.
>
> Found his passage to the USA easily but not hers. Finally found someone
who
> had the book Germans to America and they found it for me.
>
> These stories are really interesting as I had always assumed my
grandparents
> story to be unique.
>
> Carol
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 07:53:41 -0400
> From: "bfand" <bfand at worldnet.att.net>
> Subject: Fw: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Re: Leaving Volhynia for USA
> To: <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
> Message-ID: <001901c33fc7$6b892e20$4782570c at i8e2s0>
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>
> Hi Carol
> I said I beleved that it appeared to be of little
> difficulty in leaving Poland during or up to a certain
> time , Not Russia. Someone had stated that they thought
> that since Poland was under Russian rule, that leaving from
> there would have probably been just as difficult as leaving Russia.
> I stated that it didnt seem difficult for people in Poland to leave, BUT
> perhaps it was if you were fleeing from Russia to avoid military duty.
> What happened once you crossed the border from Russia into Poland ?
> Did the underground continue to hide these people once they were into
Poland
> or were you safe after you crossed the border ?
> I wonder how people in these circumstances obtained papers to
> leave Poland for the US.
>
> Bob
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Carolpauly at aol.com>
> To: <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 2:48 AM
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Re: Leaving Volhynia for USA
>
>
> > Our grandfather, Frederich Johann Weich, was born in Peresolup, served
in
> the
> > Russian army fighting the Turks. He came home on leave saying he could
> not
> > stand anymore bloodshed. Grandmother packed his clothes and he left for
> the USA
> > in 1888. He didn't seem to have any trouble but of course he was AWOL.
> > Grandmother sold their farm, paying someone to get her, her three
children
> and
> > her elderly mother, safely across the border. We have never heard of
the
> Jewish
> > underground, have no idea how she got to Hamburg. She sailed on the
SS
> > City of New York from Hamburg to Liverpool, England and then on to the
> USA.
> > Records show that almost all the ships leaving Hamburg stopped at
> Liverpool
> > before coming to New York.
> >
> > Is Bob Fandrich correct that there was no problem getting out of Russia
> at
> > that time or might it have been because her husband was AWOL that she
had
> to
> > travel in secrecy.
> >
> > Found his passage to the USA easily but not hers. Finally found someone
> who
> > had the book Germans to America and they found it for me.
> >
> > These stories are really interesting as I had always assumed my
> grandparents
> > story to be unique.
> >
> > Carol
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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>
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 08:07:13 -0500
> From: "gary and rhonda simpson" <garynrho at granite.mb.ca>
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Re: Leaving Volhynia for USA
> To: <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
> Message-ID: <007201c33fd1$b25908c0$690951d8 at b2e4x0>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> My grandparents Robert (born in Lomza Poland) and Hulda (nee
> Kroning/Graining born in Volhynia) Litz left Zhitomer along with her
brother
> Ferdinand Graning/Kroening (still not sure on surname) around 1902 or
1903.
> It was told to my uncle that they had the assistance of a Rabbi to get
them
> into Austria (Poland). They were escorted to the border at a particular
> point where a guard was paid. They were told they had 2 minutes at which
> time the guard would start yelling and firing his rifle in another
> direction.
> The then went to town in Germany which sounds like "Schurstein" where he
> worked in some kind of factory until they had the fare to cross. The only
> info I have about this German town is that is is near a larger center that
> had natural "hot baths or springs" and the factory where grandpa worked.
> They then crossed to Liverpool, and sailed to Canada in June 1904 on the
SS
> Bavarian. Robert and Hulda had $1.00 listed on the manifest, her brother,
> name now spelt Kreinik, had $10.00 and travelled with a woman Louise
Kreinik
> and 2 children posing as his wife and children. It is rumored that this
was
> a cousin and neice and nephew travelling with him, there is no mention or
> record for her or the children after the ships manifest.
> My grandfather was on the run from a lumber camp in Northern Russia
(around
> Minsk or Pinks) escaping arrest for making "Schnapps".
> I had never thought about a Jewish Underground, but the story always held
it
> was a Rabbi that helped them so I presume (which I know is dangerous) that
> they somehow contacted it to get across. The family were
Lutheran/Mennonite
> (depending on which year you check records in Canada or which baptismal
> certificate of their children in Canada).
> I have two question that I would like some input on.
> 1. Is anyone aware of a town in Germany that sounds like Schurstein, near
a
> place with hotsprings?
> 2. Were there other ports in Germany that went to Liverpool other than
> Hamburg?
>
> Appreciate any feedback regarding this.
> Thanks you
> Rhonda Simpson
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 09:36:01 -0400
> From: TRecks1999 at aol.com
> Subject: Fwd: FW: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Re: Ellis Island question
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
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>
> Hello All,
>
> I too am confused about this issue. I have letters from grampa and
military records too that confirm the family left by the train from Nov.
Voly. and took the train south to "Alexandria/Alexandrov/Alexandorf (the
last three letters are hard to make out do to the handwriting) They borded a
ship and arrived in the US in 1903. Grandma was pregnant with dad at the
time, their exit visas are stamped 1903 and dad was born in Oklahoma in May
of 1903. I cannot find any ships or records that would varify this timeline
of travel. Any ideas would be great. Thanks to all, who are of so much
help
>
> Tim Recks
>
> ---
> Friedrich Reck.
>
> In the Ukraine and Poland Frederick and Eva lived in Romanowka (where
Anna Juliana was born), Boratin-Romantow, Rozhishche (where Frederick was
born) as well as others as they made their way out of Poland to the Ukraine.
>
> Friedrich married Eva Felske.
>
> Friedrich Reck and Eva Felske had the following children:
>
>
> 1. Frederick Reck was born March 10, 1871 in Rozhishche, Volhynia,
Ukraine. He died August 20, 1918 in Perry, Oklahoma.
>
> 2. Anna Juliana Reck was born July 10, 1873 in Romanowka, Poland. She
died Jan. 14, 1874 in Boratin, Poland.
>
> 3. Emilie Reck was born March 11, 1875 in Boratin-Romanow.
>
> 4. Wilhelm (William) Recks was born May 8, 1882 in Dabrowka, Poland. He
died May 31,1961 in Los Angeles, California.
>
> 5. Helen Reck was born Aug. 31, 1879 in Romanow, Poland.
>
>
> The records show Eva's name spelled in Polish unlike in the other records.
"Ewa Felski". The records also state that they are Russian subjects or
citizens.
>
> 6. Pauline Reck was born Aug. 12, 1877 in Romanow, Poland.
>
>
> The birth record was translated to have Pauline's surname "REK". The only
other place the name has been found translated like this is some of
Frederick's military records.
>
> 7. Caroline Reck was born 1863 in Pilowka, Poland. She died Jan. 14,
1874 in Boratin, Poland.
>
> 8. Johann Eduard Reck was born 1870 in Pilowka, Poland. He died Jan. 1,
1874 in Boratin, Poland.
>
>
>
> Frederick Reck (parents Friedrich Reck and Eva Felske) was born March 10,
1871 in Rozhishche, Volhynia, Ukraine. He died August 20, 1918 in Perry,
Oklahoma.
>
> Frederick married Julianna Kehle. Julianna (parents Andreas Kehle and
Elizabeth Steier) was born September 16, 1877. She died August 13, 1921 in
Perry, Oklahoma.
>
> Frederick Reck and Julianna Kehle had the following children:
>
> 1. Ewald "Ewalt" Reinhardt Recks was born 31 May 1903 in Perry,
Oklahoma. He died 28 May 1992 in Paige, Texas.
>
> 2. Albert Frederick Recks was born October 4, 1905 in Oklahoma. He died
August 6, 1990 in SunCity, Maricopa, AZ.
>
> 3. Hertha Recks was born May 30, 1999 in Volhynia. She died Dec. 1981 in
Washington, USA.
>
> 4. Hilda Alma Recks was born April 23, 1913 in Oklahoma. She died Octobe
r 1980 in Washington.
>
> 5. Ester Helen Recks was born July 3, 1916 or 1918. She died Nov. 11,
1993 in Tacoma, Washington.
>
> 6. Edmond Recks.
>
> 7. Elsa Reck "Recks".
>
> 8. Martha Recks died in Tacoma, Washington, USA.
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> Ancestry.com has a free 14 day trial on their passenger list databases -
> http://distantcousin.com/f/Passenger3.html . You could look for the
> ship/person there
>
> Other good places to look to try to verify/identify the exact ship name
and
> arrival are:
> http://www.cimorelli.com/safe/shipmenu.htm
> http://www.fortunecity.com/littleitaly/amalfi/13/ships.htm
>
> Once you have identified the ship exactly, you may be able to find the
> person on the ellis island site. I had a relative whose name, Kopp, was
> misspelled as Ropp on the ellis island database.
>
> Or even if you can't exactly identify the ship, the microfilmed passenger
> manifests for NY (get from LDS Family History Library or National
Archives)
> should help since you have the date and arrival port information.
>
> I've discovered various traveling companions for relatives by noting who
is
> listed next to them on the passenger manifests - or people from the same
> town on the same ship.
>
> Sue Eipert
> Eipert Information Services
> seipert at eipertinfo.com
> http://www.eipertinfo.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org
> [mailto:ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org]On Behalf Of
> GVLESS at aol.com
> Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 10:14 AM
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Re: Jewish Underground R.R. Volhynia
>
>
> Since there is some interest on this listserv about finding more details
on
> a
> possible
> Jewish Underground R.R. out of Volhynia in the early part of the 20th
> century
> perhaps someone here knows of a good Jewish website where queries such as
> this could be sent. Maybe that source might be of help.
>
> One other thing I am puzzled with on my husband's Father's "escape" in
> 1903 -
> how could he have gotten on a ship in Germany to immigrate over and thru
> Ellis Island without identity papers (other than just his Confirmation
> paper)? If
> he had anything else, of course, searching family memorabilia did not
> provide
> any other item re his immigration. Would he have had a "passport"?
> Another
> family story has surfaced with the fact that he did not cross the Atlantic
> alone but was with a family group, names unknown. His naturalization
record
> does give the date of arrival at Ellis Island and a ship name that is not
> spelled
> as one on their lists. Are there any suggestions in how to find someone
> like this? I've tried the Ellis Island website, found several Less names
> (which
> tells me the name is not so unusual) but nothing for Freidrich Less, age
18,
> arriving 1903. I've tried bracketed years as well. Without the family
name
> he
> was supposed to be with I guess this may be difficult to locate the actual
> info on Freidrich. Any suggestions here for climbing over this "brick
> wall"?
>
> Again, thanks all of you for listenning. Research success always depends
on
> lots of people like you.
> Sincerely,
> Virginia Less
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 07:45:07 -0600
> From: Jerry Frank <jkfrank at shaw.ca>
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Re: Jewish Underground R.R. Volhynia
> To: GVLESS at aol.com, ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030701071743.0249be70 at shawmail>
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>
> For those with further interest in this topic, you may want to subscribe
to
> a Jewish genealogy mailing list. You could subscribe to it, pose your
> question, and then unsubscribe after the discussion, if any, runs its
course.
>
> One of these is at:
http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen/DiscussionGroup.htm
>
> These same messages can be viewed in newsgroup form at
soc.genealogy.jewish
>
> All messages on this forum are moderated (require approval before being
> released to the subscribers).
>
> There is also one specific to Ukraine. Choose that option from the list
at
> http://www.jewishgen.org/listserv/sigs_add.htm
>
> I seem to remember a Jewish genealogy list specific to Volhynia from 5 or
6
> years ago but was unable to find it right now.
>
> A complete list of all known mailing lists covering Ukraine can be found
at
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~jfuller/gen_mail_country-ukr.html
>
> If you get some good answers to this topic, please ask permission to cross
> post them on our list.
>
>
>
> At 01:13 PM 30/06/2003 -0400, GVLESS at aol.com wrote:
> >Since there is some interest on this listserv about finding more details
on a
> >possible
> >Jewish Underground R.R. out of Volhynia in the early part of the 20th
century
> >perhaps someone here knows of a good Jewish website where queries such as
> >this could be sent. Maybe that source might be of help.
> >
>
> Jerry Frank - Calgary, Alberta
> jkfrank at shaw.ca
>
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