[Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Ger-Poland-Volhynia Digest, Vol 130, Issue 22
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Fri Mar 28 12:16:50 PDT 2014
Jim Stange, My Great-grandfather was in prison about the same time. He had
written a letter to my Grandfather in America, telling him that he was
right for leaving, the government had gotten so bad. The Russian government
arrested him. He had been a teacher, and people used to bow to him when they
saw him in the street, After he was arrested, he was led around with a rope
tied around his neck and people used to spit at him. He died in prison, of
cholera or another disease. Sarah Solen, do you remember where our Great
Grandfather died? was in Lutsk?
Bruce Braun
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Today's Topics:
1. Volhynia Marriage Records (B Hirsekorn)
2. Re: Volhynia Marriage Records (Sigrid Pohl Perry)
3. Re: Volhynia Marriage Records (Richard Stein)
4. Prison in Ukraine? (Jim Stange)
5. Help with a marriage record. (Brenda Brandt)
6. Re: Prison in Ukraine? (George Shoning)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 12:12:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: B Hirsekorn <tggrtime at yahoo.ca>
To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Volhynia Marriage Records
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In the Volhynia marriage records, if the parents of the bride and groom
are listed does that mean the parents attended the wedding?
I am trying to determine the most likely place to find my
g-g-grandparent's death records.
Betty Hirsekorn
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 15:58:38 -0500
From: Sigrid Pohl Perry <perry1121 at aol.com>
To: ger-poland-volhynia at sggee.org
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Volhynia Marriage Records
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Betty,
I'm sure someone else will post specifically about Volhynian records,
but I thought I'd give a more general answer because others may wonder
about this as well. I have indexed thousands of Lublin parish marriage
records and I've also seen many from other Polish parishes. Records
compiled into a table will provide the names of the parents, but will
rarely indicate whether they are living. Full Napoleonic paragraph
records will usually indicate where the parents live or if one or both
are deceased. If the widowed mother has re-married, sometimes her new
surname will be given if she lives in the area. If the bride and/or
groom is widowed, the name of the deceased spouse and date of death is
provided. This is not always indicated on a table, though the status,
single or widowed, is always given. Marriage records usually provide the
birth village, or at least the name of the parish, for the bride and
groom, and, of course, the age.
Of course, some marriage information is only available on index tables
which include only the names and ages of the bride and groom, their
villages, and perhaps the names of two witnesses. Looking at the record,
not just at extracted indexes, usually does provide more information.
Sigrid Pohl Perry
On 3/27/2014 2:12 PM, B Hirsekorn wrote:
> In the Volhynia marriage records, if the parents of the bride and groom
are listed does that mean the parents attended the wedding?
>
> I am trying to determine the most likely place to find my
g-g-grandparent's death records.
>
> Betty Hirsekorn
>
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 15:27:39 -0600
From: "Richard Stein" <ra_stein at telus.net>
To: "Sigrid Pohl Perry" <perry1121 at aol.com>,
<ger-poland-volhynia at sggee.org>
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Volhynia Marriage Records
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Betty,
Sigrid gave a good summary of Polish marriage records. Marriage records
in
Volhynian parish registers have less information than those in Poland.
The
St. Petersburg Archive records are a copy of the original parish registers
and in the case of marriages they are really only an index containing the
names of the groom and bride and the date of marriage. Available St.
Petersburg Archive records go only to 1885 and consist of records from
Zhitomir, Heimtal, and Rozyszcze parishes.
Original parish registers of Rozyszcze, Wladimir-Wolynsk, and Luck
parishes
to about 1905 are held in the AGAD Archive in Warsaw. Digital scans are
available online at http://www.agad.gov.pl/inwentarze/KsEA439x.xml
Usually
the marriage records contain the names, ages, residences, birth places,
and
parents' names of the groom and bride. In the case of a widowed groom or
bride, the name of the deceased spouse is usually given in place of the
parents' names. The record does not indicate if the parents are deceased
or
if they are present at the marriage. Many young persons married by the
age
of 20 and so one can usually assume that they still lived with their
parents. That a person is living can often be confirmed by seeing them
listed as a godparent on baptism records.
Dick Stein
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sigrid Pohl Perry" <perry1121 at aol.com>
To: <ger-poland-volhynia at sggee.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Volhynia Marriage Records
> Betty,
>
> I'm sure someone else will post specifically about Volhynian records,
but
> I thought I'd give a more general answer because others may wonder about
> this as well. I have indexed thousands of Lublin parish marriage records
> and I've also seen many from other Polish parishes. Records compiled
into
> a table will provide the names of the parents, but will rarely indicate
> whether they are living. Full Napoleonic paragraph records will usually
> indicate where the parents live or if one or both are deceased. If the
> widowed mother has re-married, sometimes her new surname will be given
if
> she lives in the area. If the bride and/or groom is widowed, the name of
> the deceased spouse and date of death is provided. This is not always
> indicated on a table, though the status, single or widowed, is always
> given. Marriage records usually provide the birth village, or at least
the
> name of the parish, for the bride and groom, and, of course, the age.
>
> Of course, some marriage information is only available on index tables
> which include only the names and ages of the bride and groom, their
> villages, and perhaps the names of two witnesses. Looking at the record,
> not just at extracted indexes, usually does provide more information.
>
> Sigrid Pohl Perry
>
> On 3/27/2014 2:12 PM, B Hirsekorn wrote:
>> In the Volhynia marriage records, if the parents of the bride and groom
>> are listed does that mean the parents attended the wedding?
>>
>> I am trying to determine the most likely place to find my
>> g-g-grandparent's death records.
>>
>> Betty Hirsekorn
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Ger-Poland-Volhynia site list
>> Ger-Poland-Volhynia at sggee.org
>> https://www.sggee.org/mailman/listinfo/ger-poland-volhynia
>>
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 09:04:12 -0400
From: Jim Stange <jjstange at gmail.com>
To: SGGEElistserv <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Prison in Ukraine?
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Hello Members - I recently found out that a Great Grandfather was
imprisoned in a camp "Schillowski-Rudnik " for about four years from about
1914-1919. He was from Przemysl area. Has anyone heard of this camp or
know where it might be? My Google searches have come up empty. Also, any
insight as to what he may have been imprisoned for (what side)?
This is the text from the web site:
Johann, Jag., TJR. Nr. 1,14. Komp., B?hmen, Chot?bo?, Dobra, 1876; verw.
Jarosze?ski Gabriel, Lstlnfst., IR. Nr. 30,10. Komp., Galizien, Lemberg,
1886; verw. Jaroszyk Wasyl, LstGeft.,k.k.LstIR. Nr. 18, Galizien, Przemy?l,
Sielec, 1880; kriegsgef., Schillowsky-Rudnik, Gouvernement Jekaterinoslaw
Thanks for any input,
Jim
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 09:45:19 -0400
From: "Brenda Brandt" <blbrandt at comcast.net>
To: <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Help with a marriage record.
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Good morning Members,
Does anyone have Ilow film # 1196414? I would like to know the parents of
Paul Schatschneider who married Elizabeth Stuermer in 1842, Record # 39. My
problem is that I am working with another person on this family and we have
to different sets of parents for Paul. I have Michael Schatschneider and
Eva
Witzke, the information I extracted for the SGGEE database. My coworker has
the parents as Peter Schastschneider and Dorothea Mielke. All of these
folks
are from the same family group and either of us could have made an error.
If someone has the film in addition to the information, if possible, I
would
appreciate a scan of the record.
Thanks in advance,
Brenda Brandt
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 11:11:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: George Shoning <shoning at q.com>
To: Jim Stange <jjstange at gmail.com>,
ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Prison in Ukraine?
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Jim,
In case you have not noticed this, he is listed as a "Kriegsgef", that is
"Kriefsgefangener" meaning "prisoner of war". The years 1914-1919 suggest
World War I.
George Shoning
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Stange" <jjstange at gmail.com>
To: "SGGEElistserv" <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 7:04:12 AM
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Prison in Ukraine?
Hello Members - I recently found out that a Great Grandfather was
imprisoned in a camp "Schillowski-Rudnik " for about four years from about
1914-1919. He was from Przemysl area. Has anyone heard of this camp or
know where it might be? My Google searches have come up empty. Also, any
insight as to what he may have been imprisoned for (what side)?
This is the text from the web site:
Johann, Jag., TJR. Nr. 1,14. Komp., B?hmen, Chot?bo?, Dobra, 1876; verw.
Jarosze?ski Gabriel, Lstlnfst., IR. Nr. 30,10. Komp., Galizien, Lemberg,
1886; verw. Jaroszyk Wasyl, LstGeft.,k.k.LstIR. Nr. 18, Galizien, Przemy?l,
Sielec, 1880; kriegsgef., Schillowsky-Rudnik, Gouvernement Jekaterinoslaw
Thanks for any input,
Jim
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