[Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Research trip to Edmonton
Lloyd Litke
LLitke at EPL.CA
Mon Jul 28 12:42:07 PDT 2014
Hi, Carol. The other research location you are looking for is the Provincial Archives of Alberta, at 8555 Roper Road,
Edmonton, Alberta. Their website is http://culture.alberta.ca/paa/default.aspx . Good luck with your searches!
All the best,
Lloyd Litke
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Today's Topics:
1. Research trip (Carol Duff)
2. Re: Research trip (Carol Duff)
3. Re: Plock Divorce record -- found? (Peter)
4. Research trip to Edmonton (Carol Duff)
5. Re: Plock Divorce record -- found? (Gerald Klatt)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 20:51:34 -0500
From: Carol Duff <carolduff at me.com>
To: ger-poland-volhynia at sggee.org
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Research trip
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I need to make a research trip to Edmonton, Alberta, Canada. I was there 20 years ago (I think) and believe there were two places to look for information. I believe one was sggee. I can't remember what the other one was. I will be looking for death information for one thing. I am returning to Poland this fall for follow-up research on my family who went from West Prussia to Canada. I want to find as much as I can in Canada before I go to Poland. Can someone help me to remember what is available in Edmonton and the hours of these locations? Thank you. Carol
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 21:03:29 -0500
From: Carol Duff <carolduff at me.com>
To: ger-poland-volhynia at sggee.org
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Research trip
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I also would like some hotel locations close to the research area.
On Jul 27, 2014, at 8:51 PM, Carol Duff <carolduff at me.com> wrote:
> I need to make a research trip to Edmonton, Alberta, Canada. I was there 20 years ago (I think) and believe there were two places to look for information. I believe one was sggee. I can't remember what the other one was. I will be looking for death information for one thing. I am returning to Poland this fall for follow-up research on my family who went from West Prussia to Canada. I want to find as much as I can in Canada before I go to Poland. Can someone help me to remember what is available in Edmonton and the hours of these locations? Thank you. Carol
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 22:10:53 -0400
From: Peter <chamdo4ever at gmail.com>
To: SGGEE <ger-poland-volhynia at sggee.org>
Cc: Karl Krueger <dabookk54 at yahoo.com>, Earl Schultz
<Earl.Schultz at telusplanet.net>
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Plock Divorce record -- found?
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Once again, for those who have kindly been following along and being
so helpful regarding my historic family drama, here is another
important clue.
The kind reader of this list who was able to provide me with the Plock
record of August Daubler's first marriage to Ehmke, was able to get
the note regarding the divorce in the left margin translated by a
native Polish speaker.
He offers this intriguing insight:
"It just says that the marriage was between August Daubler and Anna
Maria Ehmke was annulled by the court because of her fault. (i.e.: she
is to blame)."
Any thoughts as to how to best interpret that?
On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Karl Krueger <dabookk54 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> With the Lublin records we occasionally would see notations like this written in the margins for something that occured in the future. I don't remember seeing anything on marriage records but there were plenty of them on birth records. This appeared to be a way the church would update their records on a change in status for someone in their church.
>
> So this is not the formal divorce record. I believe those were printed out in Warsaw. In a private email I sent Peter I explained to him that since the divorce and August's remarriage both occured at the same church the divorce record would not be found in alegata. The church already had record of that so they didn't need to request it from another church.
>
> All this interest indicates I should include an example of a divorce record on our Lublin site showing different types of records. Maybe within the next week I'll track down an example of one and post on the same page where I referenced alegata earlier.
>
> Peter's best option is still DNA evidence. This will not give conclusive evidence but at least you can obtain imputed evidence if the genes with discriminatory markers from August sorted appropriately through the 3 generations.
> Karl
>
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Wed, 7/23/14, Rose Ingram <roseingram at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Plock Divorce record -- found?
> To: "Peter" <chamdo4ever at gmail.com>, "SGGEE" <ger-poland-volhynia at sggee.org>
> Date: Wednesday, July 23, 2014, 7:01 PM
>
> Yup, this notation on the side of the
> marriage record does indicated a dissolvement of the
> marriage. This may be about all you will find.
> One other option may be the Alegata records of Plock church
> in Plock Archives, which you would have to order directly
> from the Archives.
>
> Rose
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Peter
> To: SGGEE
> Cc: Karl Krueger ; Earl.Schultz at telusplanet.net
>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 3:35 PM
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Plock Divorce record
> -- found?
>
>
> For those who have been kindly following along in my
> historic family
> drama, I did hear from one generous reader of this
> listserv who
> happened to have a copy from the LDS Microfilm of
> August Daubler's
> first marriage to Juliana Ehmke in 1845 (which ended
> in the
> "dissolvement") that he kindly sent to me.
>
> What's interesting about the 1845 marriage record is
> that a
> significant signed note appears to have been written
> horizontally in
> the left margin, indicating the date of 1869 (the
> year of the
> divorce). I'm wondering if indeed this could be the
> record of the
> divorce that my family and I have been seeking.
>
> The record can be downloaded from this link for the
> next week or so:
>
> http://we.tl/gRq1iPwKpi
>
> I feel like I'm finally getting close -- are any
> readers here able to
> make sense of exactly what that note in the left
> margin says?
>
> Tremendous thanks,
>
> Peter
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 21:17:39 -0500
From: Carol Duff <carolduff at me.com>
To: Miles Ertman <milesertman at shaw.ca>
Cc: ger-poland-volhynia at sggee.org
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Research trip to Edmonton
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Right now, I don't know but there are two local history books with information about family members, Frederick and Karl Freimann. These are the two uncles that children were brought to from West Prussia after their last parent died. One book was Falon or something like that.
On Jul 27, 2014, at 9:08 PM, Miles Ertman <milesertman at shaw.ca> wrote:
> Sorry, I gave you the wrong link. This is the correct one: http://culture.alberta.ca/paa/
>
>
> On 2014-07-27, at 7:51 PM, Carol Duff wrote:
>
>> I need to make a research trip to Edmonton, Alberta, Canada. I was there 20 years ago (I think) and believe there were two places to look for information. I believe one was sggee. I can't remember what the other one was. I will be looking for death information for one thing. I am returning to Poland this fall for follow-up research on my family who went from West Prussia to Canada. I want to find as much as I can in Canada before I go to Poland. Can someone help me to remember what is available in Edmonton and the hours of these locations? Thank you. Carol
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 21:53:03 -0600 (MDT)
From: Gerald Klatt <gerald.klatt at shaw.ca>
To: Peter <chamdo4ever at gmail.com>
Cc: Karl Krueger <dabookk54 at yahoo.com>, SGGEE
<ger-poland-volhynia at sggee.org>, Earl Schultz
<Earl.Schultz at telusplanet.net>
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Plock Divorce record -- found?
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Hi Peter,
IMHO, and in absence of any additional supporting documentation, further interpretation as to whether Anna
Maria Ehmke might have been barren, unfaithful or had run off would be pure speculation. It could be any of those or none of those. I think you did well to find out that the marriage was annulled by the court for cause, whatever it might have been.
Regards,
Gerald
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter" gmail.com>
To: "SGGEE" sggee.org>
Cc: "Karl Krueger" , "Earl Schultz" telusplanet.net>
Sent: Sunday, 27 July, 2014 7:10:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Plock Divorce record -- found?
Once again, for those who have kindly been following along and being
so helpful regarding my historic family drama, here is another
important clue.
The kind reader of this list who was able to provide me with the Plock
record of August Daubler's first marriage to Ehmke, was able to get
the note regarding the divorce in the left margin translated by a
native Polish speaker.
He offers this intriguing insight:
"It just says that the marriage was between August Daubler and Anna
Maria Ehmke was annulled by the court because of her fault. (i.e.: she
is to blame)."
Any thoughts as to how to best interpret that?
On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Karl Krueger wrote:
> With the Lublin records we occasionally would see notations like this written in the margins for something that occured in the future. I don't remember seeing anything on marriage records but there were plenty of them on birth records. This appeared to be a way the church would update their records on a change in status for someone in their church.
>
> So this is not the formal divorce record. I believe those were printed out in Warsaw. In a private email I sent Peter I explained to him that since the divorce and August's remarriage both occured at the same church the divorce record would not be found in alegata. The church already had record of that so they didn't need to request it from another church.
>
> All this interest indicates I should include an example of a divorce record on our Lublin site showing different types of records. Maybe within the next week I'll track down an example of one and post on the same page where I referenced alegata earlier.
>
> Peter's best option is still DNA evidence. This will not give conclusive evidence but at least you can obtain imputed evidence if the genes with discriminatory markers from August sorted appropriately through the 3 generations.
> Karl
>
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Wed, 7/23/14, Rose Ingram <roseingram at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Plock Divorce record -- found?
> To: "Peter" gmail.com>, "SGGEE" sggee.org>
> Date: Wednesday, July 23, 2014, 7:01 PM
>
> Yup, this notation on the side of the
> marriage record does indicated a dissolvement of the
> marriage. This may be about all you will find.
> One other option may be the Alegata records of Plock church
> in Plock Archives, which you would have to order directly
> from the Archives.
>
> Rose
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Peter
> To: SGGEE
> Cc: Karl Krueger ; Earl.Schultz at telusplanet.net
>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 3:35 PM
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Plock Divorce record
> -- found?
>
>
> For those who have been kindly following along in my
> historic family
> drama, I did hear from one generous reader of this
> listserv who
> happened to have a copy from the LDS Microfilm of
> August Daubler's
> first marriage to Juliana Ehmke in 1845 (which ended
> in the
> "dissolvement") that he kindly sent to me.
>
> What's interesting about the 1845 marriage record is
> that a
> significant signed note appears to have been written
> horizontally in
> the left margin, indicating the date of 1869 (the
> year of the
> divorce). I'm wondering if indeed this could be the
> record of the
> divorce that my family and I have been seeking.
>
> The record can be downloaded from this link for the
> next week or so:
>
> http://we.tl/gRq1iPwKpi
>
> I feel like I'm finally getting close -- are any
> readers here able to
> make sense of exactly what that note in the left
> margin says?
>
> Tremendous thanks,
>
> Peter
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