[Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Seeking Records from the Evangelical Augsburg Consistory Council

[Peter]

Thank you tremendously Earl, for this very insightful note. Agreed --
DNA testing does seem like a good way to proceed, and thankfully I
think I know two people who could contribute the necessary samples.

On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 12:40 AM, Earl Schultz
<Earl.Schultz at telusplanet.net> wrote:
> In my experience, the illegitimate child takes the mother's surname but I believe I have seen a few cases where the child takes a witness' name and I assume that means the child was adopted or that the witness was the real father.  One of my distant relatives in the 1800s lived unmarried with his spouse and he fathered many children with this woman and each church record said that the child was illegitimate but the children all took the father's name.
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> The divorces I've seen were likely the result of a childless marriage as there were no children prior to the divorce but children from one of the spouses after the divorce.  I've also seen one married man who must have been separated from his wife but unable to divorce who fathered a few children with another woman.  The children took his surname but it was not until wife #1 died that we realized this was one man and not two different men.
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> This doesn't "cut to the core" of what you are looking for but I would assume that the child would retain the surname of the mother even after marrying the father of the child.  I did see at least one case like that.  However, the man was not divorced but rather was single at the time of the birth of the illegitimate child, and then married the mother.
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> If you find records from the Consistory Council you may not get the answers you are looking for.  My maternal great grandmother (probably adoptive) was divorced in 1902 and I received the divorce papers attached to the marriage document from the Archives.  My Russian translator said that the divorce was "due to the fault of the husband" and it appears that he went to America and abandoned his family.  However, no real reason was given in the document.
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> It seems to me that this may best be solved by DNA, if you can compare the DNA of a descendent of that couple with the DNA of a descendent of the illegitimate child.  It would be easier if both lines were male but you'd still get an idea using autosomal DNA.
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> Isn't genealogy interesting...when I started this hobby I thought my family was going to be pretty boring...NOT.
>
> Earl
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> From: Peter [mailto:chamdo4ever at gmail.com]
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> Cc: Earl.Schultz at telusplanet.net
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Seeking Records from the Evangelical Augsburg Consistory Council
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> Thank you very much Earl. Yes, I most definitely will let the listserve know if I make any progress.
>
> In a slight digression, in that you are familiar with divorces near Plock, are you able to offer any insight into the legal twists of naming conventions of children born out of wedlock, especially when the Mother of such a child then marries a divorced man? That really cuts to the core of what I'm trying to find out. In fact, you can read my earlier post to the listserve on that subject here:
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> http://eclipse.sggee.org/pipermail/ger-poland-volhynia/2014-July/027453.html
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> In attempting to chase down this record of the dissolved marriage, what I'm really trying to establish is if it mentions that August Daubler committed adultery with Wilhelmine Hein (the woman he went on to marry), and could conceivably be the father of Wilhelmine Hein's illegitimate daughter (my ancestor) who was born a few years earlier and named Dorothea Hein due to the Father being "unknown."
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Peter Schmidt
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 11:06 PM, Earl Schultz <Earl.Schultz at telusplanet.net> wrote:
>> Peter, I don't have an answer for you but I have noticed quite a few divorces in the Michalki records, near Plock, and I wrote an article about them for the SGGEE Journal (Sep 2009).  I am interested if you track these down.  I would approach the archives in Lipno and/or Plock and ask if they have these records.  They do accept English emails but will reply in Polish.  Also, I would try the Evangelical-Augsburg Church and you may want to start with the Berlin Evangelical-Lutheran Archives (EZAB) and they also accept English emails.  Other than that, I can't help but I would appreciate you letting the listserve or me know what answers you receive.
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>> Earl
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>> Does anyone here know how I could track down the record of the judgement of the Evangelical Augsburg Consistory Council in Tsarist Poyavskoi regarding the dissolvement of a marriage in Plock in 1869?
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>> Would such a record still exist? How can I find out and begin the process of tracking down such a record?
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>> Any help or guidance would be greatly appreciated.
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>> Many thanks,
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>> Peter Schmidt
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