[Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Ger-Poland-Volhynia Digest, Vol 120, Issue 12

Tue May 14 12:55:45 PDT 2013

I was reading yesterday and today on the issue of the Germans from 1800 to the
days after World War II.
>From what I've seen the suffering, ever-changing, high infant mortality
rates of that period did something that seems  difficult. The image I have
of the whole period is very complicated and constant changing, wars,
revolutions.
I leave here my record thanks people who have helped me to map and
find information
about my ancestors.
Special thanks to Alber and Dick;
and the team at SGGEE, incredible job.
Thank you very much
Marcos Irineu Pufal


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>    1. expulsion of Germans from the East at the end     of the Second
>       World War (Helen Gillespie)
>    2. Re: expulsion of Germans from the East at the end of the
>       Second World War (Sigrid Pohl Perry)
>    3. Re: expulsion of Germans from the East at the end of the
>       Second World War (Kenneth Browne)
>    4. Re: expulsion of Germans from the East at the end of the
>       Second World War (Carol Duff)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 16:26:14 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Helen Gillespie <hgillespie at rogers.com>
> To: SGGEElistserv <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] expulsion of Germans from the East at
>         the end of the Second World War
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> To all,
>
> Some members of the listserv might have families that experienced the
> expulsion from Eastern Europe during the Second World War. Sometimes these
> folks did not talk about their experiences.
>
>
> The German magazine Der Spiegel regularly puts special issues covering
> specific topics.? In 2002, they covered the flight and expulsion of Germans
> from the East. Unfortunately it is in German.? The PDF versions (on the
> left side of the page) do include some photos.? Some are pretty
> grim.Although the articles don't cover Wolhynians specifically, their
> experiences would be about the same.
>
>
>
> http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/spiegelspecial/index-2002-2.html
>
> My own family experienced some of this.
>
> ?
> Helen
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
> The wise man must remember that while he is a descendant of the past, he
> is a parent of the future.
> --Herbert Spencer
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 18:43:18 -0500
> From: Sigrid Pohl Perry <perry1121 at aol.com>
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at sggee.org
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] expulsion of Germans from the East
>         at the end of the Second World War
> Message-ID: <51917A96.2020105 at aol.com>
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> To all,
>
> My family also lived through forced resettlement in Poland in 1940 and
> escape from the advancing Russian army early 1945. The recent issue of
> the New York Review of Books reviewed a book published last year by R.M.
> Douglas: Orderly and Humane: The Expulsion of the Germans After the
> Second World War. Douglas's book tells the story of the forced
> relocation of 12 to 14 million ethnic Germans from central and southern
> Europe after borders were changed by treaty. Most of these refugees were
> women and children because the men had already been drafted into the
> German army and some 500,000 died during the journey to a Germany ill
> equipped to care for them.
>
> The review by Paul Wilson, "Kicking the Germans Out of the East," can be
> read here:
>
> http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2013/may/23/kicking-germans-out-east/?pagination=false
>
> Another review of Douglas's book is here:
>
> http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/reviews/orderly-and-humane-the-expulsion-of-the-germans-after-the-second-world-war-by-rm-douglas-8076666.html
>
> It is available in some libraries. An hour long podcast is available:
>
> http://newbooksinhistory.com/2013/02/14/r-m-douglas-orderly-and-humane-the-expulsion-of-the-germans-after-the-second-world-war-yale-up-2012/
>
>
> Survivors were often reluctant to talk about these experiences in
> families, and history books both in Germany and abroad have ignored the
> story until recently.
>
> Sigrid Pohl Perry
>
> On 5/13/2013 6:26 PM, Helen Gillespie wrote:
> > To all,
> >
> > Some members of the listserv might have families that experienced the
> expulsion from Eastern Europe during the Second World War. Sometimes these
> folks did not talk about their experiences.
> >
> >
> > The German magazine Der Spiegel regularly puts special issues covering
> specific topics.  In 2002, they covered the flight and expulsion of Germans
> from the East. Unfortunately it is in German.  The PDF versions (on the
> left side of the page) do include some photos.  Some are pretty
> grim.Although the articles don't cover Wolhynians specifically, their
> experiences would be about the same.
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/spiegelspecial/index-2002-2.html
> >
> > My own family experienced some of this.
> >
> >
> > Helen
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> >
> >
> > The wise man must remember that while he is a descendant of the past, he
> is a parent of the future.
> > --Herbert Spencer
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 20:09:47 -0400
> From: Kenneth Browne <kbrowne01518 at gmail.com>
> To: Helen Gillespie <hgillespie at rogers.com>
> Cc: SGGEElistserv <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] expulsion of Germans from the East
>         at the end of the Second World War
> Message-ID: <519180CB.5080707 at gmail.com>
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> On 05/13/2013 07:26 PM, Helen Gillespie wrote:
> > The German magazine Der Spiegel regularly puts special issues covering
> specific topics.  In 2002, they covered the flight and expulsion of Germans
> from the East. Unfortunately it is in German.  The PDF versions (on the
> left side of the page) do include some photos.  Some are pretty
> grim.Although the articles don't cover Wolhynians specifically, their
> experiences would be about the same.
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/spiegelspecial/index-2002-2.html
> >
> > My own family experienced some of this.
> >
> >
> If you copy the above URL and paste it into the left side of Google
> translate you will get a decent translation of
> the article, with links to the inside pages preserved and translated,
> into English or whatever language Google
> Translate offers.
>
> I have letters written in Yiddish and English from an ancestress who
> had been expelled from Poland and was living
> in Berlin between 1931 and 1937. I have been unable to determine
> whether she and her family died during the
> Holocaust, although I suspect so. The letters were written to my ggf
> who was a German Lutheran, but the author
> described herself as Jewish and as his sister in law.
>
> I will be poring over this 2002 article to see if I can learn anything
> new and specific about how and when ethnic
> Germans were kicked out of Poland and had passports confiscated.
>
> --
> Kenneth Browne researching: BROWN(E) LEIGHTON TAYLOR CLOUGH/CLUFF
> LACHMANN RUSSELL NOURSE MORSE PETTENGILL NOBLE SMALL WOLF MROCH
> LUEDTKE HECKBERT MANTEI
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 22:33:59 -0500
> From: Carol Duff <carolduff at me.com>
> To: Sigrid Pohl Perry <perry1121 at aol.com>
> Cc: ger-poland-volhynia at sggee.org
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] expulsion of Germans from the East
>         at the end of the Second World War
> Message-ID: <BD9A03B5-D10A-489E-92C1-F38412D4C8CF at me.com>
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> I also witnessed a lot of prejudice of Germans moving back from other
> areas because "their dialect was not correct."
>
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