[Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Swiss emigration to Poland.

[Gary Tober]

Not surprising that the Swiss got to Poland. My Tober ancestors also were originally from Switzerland, according to my grandfather Hermann Tober. They were so far back in time that they are described in 'Die Landleute vom Schwyz Canton" as being "sprung up from the ground". They left, no doubt, for LAND. Grandpa said they were also "land barons" The only barons with our name were in the Austro-Hungarian empire. They were called "Freiherr" They owned five estates which had obvious Hungarian names. No doubt someone wanted those lands, because there was no continuation of the baroncy after two generations. Most likely, religion was the excuse to chase them off. Although there are still many Tobers, spelled with hungarian spelling in Hungary, quite obviously, some of the protestant Tobers went to the land of religious freedom:Poland (and got some hefty land privileges from the Polish gentry, no doubt).

Gary Tober

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> From: "Carol M" <cam650 at shaw.ca>
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> Your note about submitting records for the Master Pedigree Database
> indicates it is for Germans and their descendants and spouses. Wondering how
> many generations would be appropriate. Example. My siblings and their
> children and their children and their children and their spouses? In other
> words to Great Grandchildren? My Aunts and Uncles and their children etc. 
> My Grandparents and their families.
> 
> Also.. Although my husbands family is German they were born in the former
> Jugolsavia.  Would that be considered German or Eastern Europe? Their family
> originated in Switzerland We have the chart back to the 1600s there.
>  
> Carol Morgenthaler 
> cam650 at shaw.ca
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> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 15:52:18 -0700
> From: Gary Warner <garyw555 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] For Gary
> To: Carol M <cam650 at shaw.ca>
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> Carol,
> 
> We expect that the databases that we are now creating will be around for 
> a very long time.   Our thought is that if your grandchildren are not 
> interested in family history now, but later decide that they are, then 
> they will still be able to connect to the past through data that you add 
> now.   I do not know how messed up your family history is, but I can say 
> for certain that if I had not personally started my family history, that 
> my children would never have figured it out.   That is not to say that I 
> am so smart, but instead that I had resources available to me that are 
> no longer living that could straighten out all the falsehoods that my 
> father created about his family.   So, the answer is, yes we want ALL of 
> the descendants (and spouses) and ancestors (and spouses) of anyone who 
> lived in Poland or the Ukraine if they had even one drop of German 
> blood.  Ancestors of such persons will of course not necessarily be Germans.
> 
> I cannot say with certainty that your Swiss and Yugoslavian ancestry is 
> connected to anyone else in SGGEE or not.   If they are ancestors of 
> anyone who lived in Poland or the Ukraine, then yes, we want that data. 
>    If they are not connected, then I will leave it up to you whether you 
> send in that data or not, and I will further decide whether to upload it 
> as part of the Master Pedigree Database after I see it.
> 
> Gary Warner
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> On 6/12/2012 2:22 PM, Carol M wrote:
> > Your note about submitting records for the Master Pedigree Database
> > indicates it is for Germans and their descendants and spouses. Wondering how
> > many generations would be appropriate. Example. My siblings and their
> > children and their children and their children and their spouses? In other
> > words to Great Grandchildren? My Aunts and Uncles and their children etc.
> > My Grandparents and their families.
> >
> > Also.. Although my husbands family is German they were born in the former
> > Jugolsavia.  Would that be considered German or Eastern Europe? Their family
> > originated in Switzerland We have the chart back to the 1600s there.
> >   
> > Carol Morgenthaler
> > cam650 at shaw.ca
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