[Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Westfalen migration (was: Re: Nosowiecze)

Thu Aug 30 20:49:07 PDT 2012

I'm not aware of any large migration from the Rheinland to eastern  
territories in the 1600's.  There were two well-known migrations to the  area that 
is Poland today, one that ran from 1775 - 1785 (with a maximum in  1782), 
and a second one that ran from 1795 to 1806.  Each migration went to  a 
different area.  The primary migration to Volhynia occurred in the late  1800's 
(1868 - 1880), although some movement occurred before then.

The majority of the immigrants in the two Polish waves came from  
Wurttemberg, but sizable numbers came from Mecklenburg and Baden.  Various  
researchers have gone over the available records to document this.

You can read more about the Volhynian migration on the SGGEE web  site.  
That too has been well documented.

As to why refugees were settled in which area, that is a mystery to  me.  I 
recall my relatives saying that they were settled on a farm in  Schleswig 
Holstein because they were farmers in Poland.  It is possible  that it was 
easier to settle them in the north because they had a shorter  distance to 
travel.  Bavaria was much further away.  You have to  remember that the entire 
infrastructure of Germany was destroyed in the  war.  All remaining 
transportation means were primarily in use rebuilding  the nation.  They had to 
economize as much as they could.  Traveling  to Bavaria would have meant long 
days traveling on foot or by wagon, all the  while keeping the roads clear for 
important traffic.

Good luck!

    -Paul

In a message dated 8/30/2012 5:18:37 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
chrismenke at hotmail.com writes:

Any comments on this....

Is it POSSIBLE some of the  Germans from Poland / Prussia / Volhynia went 
to Westfalen, Schleswig-Holstein  and Lower Saxony because it was viewed as 
the old, yes way back, ancestral  homeland, and therefore a place where they 
would feel they "fit in" as opposed  to say Bavaria? I have read that many 
of the Germans in West Prussia / Poland  came from those regions in the 
mid-1600's. Those areas were all under Prussia  for a time also. Many of the -KE 
surnames seem to originate in that area also.  

Thoughts? 

Chris Menke

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From: PnSWork at aol.com
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 20:01:53 -0400
Subject:  Westfalen migration (was: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Nosowiecze)
To:  chrismenke at hotmail.com; dhiller1 at gmx.de; heinrichrichter1 at aol.com
CC:  ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org

Hi all,

    The Ruhr industrial area was completely rebuilt  after the war, so they 
had a lot of jobs to offer, and many people moved there  as a result.  My 
own relatives from the Plock region initially settled in  Schleswig Holstein, 
but most of them quickly moved to Essen because that's  where the jobs were.

    -Paul

In a message dated 8/29/2012 6:30:21 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
chrismenke at hotmail.com writes:

I  have been finding in my research that a LOT of the eastern Germans who 
did  not go to the Americas following the World Wars went to 
Nordhein-Westfalen.  I have numerous examples. 
Chris  Menke

> From: dhiller1 at gmx.de
> To:  heinrichrichter1 at aol.com
> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 20:16:28  +0200
> CC: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Subject: Re:  [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] *** GMX Spamverdacht *** Nosowiecze
> 
>  
> 
> > Westfalen is an area in Western Germany, Westphalia,  see e.g. here:
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westphalia
>  > Herford is a not so big town there, see e.g. google maps:
> >  http://maps.google.com/maps?q=herford 
> > Number 14 could stand  for the postal code, which was pretty short
> > once. However,  maybe it was the house number, but then the name of the
> > street  is missing. So I doubt it is.
> > 
> > Dietmar
>  > 
> > Am Mittwoch, den 29.08.2012, 13:59 -0400 schrieb
>  > heinrichrichter1 at aol.com: 
> > 
> > > Hello list  Members:
> > > An old photo of a farm in our family photo  collection has the name 
Nosowiecze 1931 written on the back. Also on the  back, but in very different 
ink and handwriting is: Pauline Betker,  Westfalen, Nr. 14, Westfalen, 
Kreis Herford. My mother and father lived in  Nosowiecze at this time and until 
1940 when they resettled to western  Poland. My two older brothers were born 
in Nosowiecze and although my  mother's maiden name was Betker I have been 
unable to make a connection with  Pauline Betker in our family history. 
Although the information following  Pauline Betker appears to be an address, I 
have had no luck finding such an  address in Germany. Any suggestions would 
be appreciated.
> > >  Heinrich Richter
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > 
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