[Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Schmidtke of Chelm, Poland, Russia

Sun Apr 17 09:25:05 PDT 2011

Unfortunately, the marriage of Julianna Schmidtke to Gottfried Fuhl in 
Wladimir-Wolynsk Parish in 1898 is given only in an index and there is 
further information.  The full marriage record showing ages, birthplaces, 
parents may be in the AGAD archive in Warsaw.

Dick Stein

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Frank" <FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca>
To: "Sigrid Pohl Perry" <perry1121 at aol.com>; "Mhairi Patterson" 
<mhairi at andrewswireless.net>
Cc: <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Schmidtke of Chelm, Poland, Russia

Sigrid and Mhairi,

The Chelm reference throws us off a bit as it misses a major time frame in 
the life of the Schmidtke family. The Gretna area of Manitoba is a hotbed of 
Volhynian Germans, not known for any Russian Poland Germans.

You are correct. The Fuhl surname is very uncommon. It only appears once in 
our main database of over 500,000 names. It appears in EWZ records with 
origins in Ludmilopol in western Volhynia which is not all that far from 
Chelm. It also appears once (same location) showing a birth in 1887 in our 
VKP Database (formerly St. Pete Database)

AND

once in that same database showing the marriage of
Julianna Schmidtke to Gottfried Fuhl in Wladimir-Wolynsk Parish in 1898.
see http://www.sggee.org/research/PublicDatabases.html for your own search

Now - go back to the birth records and search only for those with Winkler as 
the surname of the mother (much easier than searching for Schmidtke as the 
primary surname) . Interestingly enough you will find two Justine Winklers, 
one shown as wife of Ferdinand Schmidtke and the other as wife of Heinrich 
Schmidtke. You will have to sort out if these are two different families or 
two different names for the same man. They are living at either Ludmilpol or 
at Elizabetpol, a neighbouring village.

Assuming that your Chelm location is accurate, I can envision the Schmidke 
family moving a short distance eastward to the Wladimir-Wolynsk region in 
the early 1880s where they have more family and eventually where Julianne 
marries.

Jerry

----- Original Message -----
From: Sigrid Pohl Perry <perry1121 at aol.com>
Date: Saturday, April 16, 2011 4:23 pm
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Schmidtke of Chelm, Poland, Russia
To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org

> Mhairi and Charlotte,
>
> I am a member of the Lublin Project team which is indexing
> parish
> records from Trinity Evangelical Lutheran Church from about 1840
> to
> 1940. This includes the area around Chelm. You can find the
> index for
> those records we have examined to date on the SGGEE website:
> http://www.sggee.org/research/parishes/lublin_records/lublinsearchinstruct.html
> Records can be ordered from the church. Some are in German; many
> are in
> Polish or Russian Cyrillic. Schmidt and its common variation of
> Schmidtke are fairly common surnames. Winkler or Winkel are not
> as
> common, and Fuhl is so rare I don't think I have seen it.
> Charlotte, it
> would be helpful if you can provide the parents' names for
> Henriette
> Bertha Schmidtke and brothers Michael and Daniel. Michael
> Schmidt(ke) is
> a very common name.
>
> Because Chelm had its own Lutheran church, records were not
> always
> duplicated and reported to Lublin. We have also only completed
> about
> half of the 70+ dvds with digitized parish records; some
> remaining would
> include information from Chelm between 1878 and 1900. For
> someone to be
> found in any of these records, there generally has to be a
> birth,
> marriage or death involved; there are some confirmation tables.
> I
> searched and did not find a Heinrich Schmidt(ke) and Justina
> Winkler at
> this time, nor did I find the surname Fuhl.
>
> Regards,
> Sigrid Pohl Perry
> Searching Pohl, Domres, Hapke, Mantei, Bittner/Buettner,
> Scheffler,
> Dalke, Gatzke et al.
>
> On 4/16/2011 10:54 AM, Charlotte Gorley wrote:
> > Mhairi and all,
> >
> > My great-grandmother's name was Henretha (or Henrietta) Bertha
> Schmidtke.> I've also seen it spelled Schmidtkey and
> Schmidt. She was born April 16,
> > 1861 in Poland. Today was her birthday. What a
> gift it would be to find
> > relatives, or others who were searching this family line.
> >
> > I'm told she had two brothers, Michael and Daniel, who stayed
> in the old
> > country. Henrietta came to Canada in 1903 with her
> husband and family.
> > They settled in Saskatchewan. She died in Melville
> Saskatchewan in 1948.
> >
> > Does her name, or her brothers' names appear in any records?
> >
> > Charlotte
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org
> > [mailto:ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org] On
> Behalf Of Mhairi
> > Patterson
> > Sent: April-15-11 4:45 PM
> > To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> > Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Schmidtke of Chelm, Poland, Russia
> >
> > Juliane Schmidtke, born Feb 2, 1878 in Chelm, Province of
> Poland, Russia
> >
> > Father Heinrich Schmidtke, mother Justina Winkler
> >
> > She married my grandfather in Gretna, Manitoba, Canada on May
> 13, 1908. At
> > that time she was a widow called Juliane Fuhl (nee Schmidtke),
> and had a
> > daughter Emma born Aug 25, 1902.
> >
> > The only other record I can find of her is the 1916 Manitoba,
> Canada census.
> > On this census it says she immigrated in 1907 as did her
> daughter Emma.
> >
> > I have exhausted all avenues in Canada and can find nothing
> further about
> > her.
> >
> > I am looking for any information that may be available on the German
> > Genealogy in Eastern Europe, so far my searches have come up
> empty, and I am
> > at a loss as to how to go about
> >
> > finding any information.
> >
> >
> >
> > Mhairi Patterson
> >
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