[Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Bug Hollender in Siberia

[Jerry Frank]

Rita,

Just to clarify for those who do not have access to the Journal:

The Bug Hollender in question went to Siberia voluntarily.  They were not "verschlept" as were other Germans.  

They were not Hollender in a Dutch sense.  They were Hollender because they lived in villages with a Hollendry style of government.  It has nothing to do with ethnicity.  

The article goes into more detail about all this.


Jerry



----- Original Message -----
From: Rita Lyster <rlyster at telusplanet.net>
Date: Friday, May 21, 2010 12:55 pm
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Bug Hollender in Siberia
To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org

My Selent/Popko/Ryll relatives who originally come from Neubrow/Neudorf were "Hollander"  who never were sent to Siberia because they were not percieved as the same threat as other Germans in 1916.  My relatives came to Vohlynia to the Luck  and Rowne region. Rita Lyster

On May 21, 2010, Jerry Frank <FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca> wrote: Yes Dick, I am aware of the Neubrow / Neudorf migration connection to Rozyszcze.  All the evidence I have seen to date is that the migration to Siberia originated in the Neubrow / Neudorf region, not Rozyszcze.  The assumed association of Neubrow / Neudorf to Volhynia is not exclusive to the Siberian migration.  It is often mentioned in other sources that deal with that regional history.  

Also would like to ensure that everyone knows that I don't want to dissociate myself or SGGEE from supporting the Neubrow / Neudorf region.  I just like to ensure that facts be kept straight.  I would also point out that the some of the Neubrow / Neudorf folk moved a short distance southward to the Zubozanskie and village of Rivne region which is in Volhynia.  This Rivne is not the city of the same name further east.


Jerry




----- Original Message -----
From: ra_stein at telus.net
Date: Friday, May 21, 2010 9:48 am
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Bug Hollender in Siberia
To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org

> Congratulations to Jerry Frank for his interesting article "Bug 
> Hollender in Siberia" in the December 2009 SGGEE Journal.  
> It is another one of the many fascinating, and often tragic, 
> stories of Germans in Russia.
> 
> Regarding the myth(?) that the Bug Hollenders in Siberia 
> originated in Volhynia, I'm sure Jerry is aware that there was 
> also a migration of Bug Hollenders from Neudorf and Neubrow to 
> Rozyszcze parish in Volhynia starting by at least 1845.  
> The same surnames, namely Ryll, Selent, Lodwig, Kunz, Holz and 
> others, appear in large numbers in the villages Oleschkewitz, 
> Josephine, and Alexandrowka.
> 
> Jerry, is it possible that the Bug Hollenders in Siberia 
> actually came from these colonies in Volhynia?
> 
> Dick Stein
> 
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