[Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Fwd: Teofila Malachowski (albertmuth at aol.com)

Mon Jan 5 20:10:09 PST 2009

I meant this to go to the listserv

-----Original Message-----
From: albertmuth at aol.com
To: ggomes at soundviewnet.com
Sent: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 10:40 pm
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Teofila Malachowski (albertmuth at aol.com)

I am going to hold out hope for you that the marriage will be found in Lublin.? And it just might.

I checked 1884-1888 for the marriage, and found nothing.

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I do not yet have a fine-tuned sense of when a big migration from the Lublin/Chelm region 

over to Rozyszcze/Vladimir Volynsk area occurred, but have learned that several of my 

grandfather's own first cousins did, around 1888 or 1889, though.? Right now, I am only 

indexing the post 1885 Rozyszcze marriages.? I will not get my fine tuning sense until I do 

complete transcriptions of these same marriages that I will use later for entry into the 

SGGEE Pedigree Database.? Don't anybody look for these families in the SG pedigree 

database any time soon.

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Returning to your problem, It occurs to me strongly that we may also be dealing with religion

here.? Ebenezer, SK at this early date was very Baptist, mostly out of the parish in Zezulin

in the Lublin area.? The family of my grandfather's older brother Gottfried Muth was in Ebenezer

from 1888, as well as his in-laws the Milbradts.

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If ya'll are Baptists, you've got a different can of worms.? And welcome to my world.? The

Lublin team has been very generous with me, sharing little tidbits here and there from the

Lublin Lutheran church project, but I suspect that my two biggest prize records are 

going to be from the Zezulin Baptist church:? my grandfather's 1883 first marriage and 

his father's murder (sometime before 1888; while carrying rent money, he picked up 

a hitchhiker, who killed him with an axe and took all the money). Everybody was 

Lutheran till then, but the conversion was, say 1880, give or take 5 years.

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There are many, many Germans whose last name ends in -ski, and has for generations

lost back before the beginning of records for us.? Did Teofila have any known relatives

herself in this country (Canada, in her case)?? Does her death certificate name parents?

(Saskatchewan holds the distinction in my memory of charging the absolute highest price

for a death certificate that I have ever paid in my life).

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And I detect some hesitation in her surname Malachowski, Malaszewski.? There are several

Malanowskys on the ship "Polynesia" that my great-grandmother Johanna Abraham Muth

came over on, aged 68, arriving New York 14 April 1888.? All these surnames Mala-

are derivatives of the adjective MALY = 'small' = 'klein'? I cannot vouch for the ethnicity

or religion of the Polynesia Malanowskys, though they were born in Russia.

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Just a few thoughts...

?
al

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Gomes <ggomes at soundviewnet.com>
To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
Sent: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 3:31 pm
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Teofila Malachowski (albertmuth at aol.com)

Al,

I appreciate your effort.

The marriage may have taken place earlier than 1888, but not later.

I have pretty solid data that Edmunda Lange was born June 18, 1888 and
Edward born July 25, 1889 (family records, obits/graves, passenger lists and
Canadian census), but they could have been a year earlier I guess.  My
grandfather Emil Lange was the youngest of this marriage, born January 19,
1891 in Winnipeg, three months after their arrival from Russian Poland.

There may have been earlier children or a period of time between marriage
and first birth.  I have virtually no information about the immediate family
prior to their October 1890 transit to Canada.

Gary

Message: 2
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 18:01:14 -0500
From: albertmuth at aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Teofila Malachowski
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I have checked my transcribed Rozyszcze marriages 1886-1888 and find no
record of a marriage between Christian Lange and Teofila Malachowski

Are the birth years of the children "written in stone"?? That is, is there a
possibility that the marriage could be a year sooner, or a year later?

Al Muth

-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry Frank <FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca>
To: Gary Gomes <ggomes at soundviewnet.com>;
ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
Sent: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 5:25 pm
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Teofila Malachowski

Gary,

Scheple (Szepec) and Ludwischen, though near Lutsk, were in Rozyszcze 
Parish.  Original parish records are not yet extracted but have been 
microfilmed.  See 
http://www.sggee.org/church_parishes/LutheransInVolhyniaKievPodolia 
for full list of available records.

Unlike the St. Pete records, a marriage record there will most 
probably provide you with a specific place of birth for her.  If not, 
check for a Confirmation record c.1881 that also often provides a 
place of birth.

Jerry Frank - Calgary, Alberta
FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca

At 12:39 PM 04/01/2009, Gary Gomes wrote:
>I am seeking help to find information on the family of my great
grandmother,
>Teofila Malachowski (or Malashevski, etc.).
>
>Teofila was born October 7, 1867 in Russian Poland.  She married Christian
>Lange about 1887 and bore a son Edmund in 1888 and a daughter Edmunda in
>1889   - I believe in the general Lutsk - Lublin area.  Unfortunately these
>dates are after the St Petersburg records.
>
>They migrated to Canada in October 1890; first to Winnipeg and then to
>Ebenezer, SK.  Christian died before 1896 and Teofila remarried Rudolph
>Pachal.
>
>Intermarried family includes Schindler, Gurel and Pries.  The Daniel
>Schindlers, who migrated with them to Canada (same ship),show their
>residence at time of emigration as Scheple or Ludswischkin (outside Lutsk).
>
>Any guidance is appreciated.
>
>Gary Gomes
>

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