[Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Gniewniewice! That does make much more sense! Thanks!
Joan
forsoftsong at yahoo.com
Thu Mar 20 11:02:44 PDT 2008
Thank you Jerry!
Gniewniewice! I can see how that would be much closer to "Knewegvizek" and now in addition to Sochaczew, you have deciphered Glusk!
I have been pouring over maps for months now and I am not one to ask for much help.
And I and see how absolutely wonderful it is to have experienced researchers lend a hand.
Again, many thanks! I was excited just by finding the District Sochaczew on the map and assumed the other village nearby.
Have a wonderful day.....
Joan
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Today's Topics:
1. Dremel - Zhitomir (Rose Ingram)
2. Re: Ship Manifest Emil Schmidt Help With Location (Joan)
3. Re: Ship Manifest Emil Schmidt Help With Location
(Lydia Eberhardt)
4. Re: Ship Manifest Emil Schmidt Help With Location (Kenneth Browne)
5. Re: Ship Manifest Emil Schmidt Help With Location (Jerry Frank)
6. Re: Ship Manifest Emil Schmidt Help With Location (Jerry Frank)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 09:21:34 -0700
From: Rose Ingram
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Dremel - Zhitomir
To: GPV List
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If anyone can assist Monika, please reply to her directly at moni.korff at yahoo.de
English translation below.
Rose Ingram..
From: monika korff
To: kontakt at sggee.org
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 12:59 PM
hallo
mein name ist monika und ich bin auf der suche nach den geburtsort und eltern von meinen
gro?vater wilhelm dremel
seine daten
wilhelm dremel geb.sept.1839 geburtsort unbekannt
getraut 1879 in der gemeinde schitomir
gest.12.10.1906 in retka begraben in rogowka ?
ich hoffe ihr k?nnt mir weiterhelfen
sch?nen gru? monika
=====
Hello,
My name is Monika and I am searching for the town of birth and parents of my grandfather Wilhelm Dremel.
Wilhelm Dremel was: born 1839,
married 1879 in the community of Zhitomir
died 12 Oct 1906 in Retka and buried in Rogowka?
I hope you can help me further.
With best greetings,
Monika
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:34:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: Joan
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Ship Manifest Emil Schmidt Help
With Location
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Hello to the group,
My research generally concerns Germans from Russia in the central area of Poland, Rypin to be specific.
However, recently, I discovered on ancestry.com that my grandfather apparently had a
brother I was unaware of, who met him when he emmigrated to Philadelphia. This brother's name is Emil Schmidt. My mother told me that she had relatives in the Philadephia area,
so this find excited me. I did a search on ancestry to see when and where Emil emmigrated to the USA, and it was in 1907 to Cleveland.
My hunch that he was indeed my grandfather's brother was confirmed by the ship manifest
stating his father as Gottlieb Schmidt, the same as my grandfather.
What I cannot understand is the location that is listed. Emil Schmidt is about
eleven people down, just after the big group that is listed together. He is listed as 18 years old, a farm laborer, Russian nationality, German ethnicity, Russian language, but the location is one I have never heard of if I am reading it correctly.
I am inserting a link to the document and hope someone can read this location better than
I am able. I have not been able to find any place with this spelling in the area I am familiar with, and now wonder if the family may have moved to the Ukraine or Volga areas like many of the other Germans from Russia in this group.
Here is the link:
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e87/Softsong/EmilSchmidt.jpg
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Joan Allen
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1. Re: Wygoda close to Ilow (Sochaczew) (Rose Ingram)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 15:54:01 -0700
From: Rose Ingram
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Wygoda close to Ilow (Sochaczew)
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There also appears to be a Wygoda as you indicate, about 2 km SE o f Niedzielska. This Wygoda is right next to a place called Chrosle/Chrusle (and written Krushla) in Volhynian records when these people migrated. Chrusle was given as a birth place, when in fact the actual birth took place in Wygoda.
So this is the right area.
Rose Ingram
From: Jerry Frank
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Wygoda close to Ilow (Sochaczew)
Interesting to see how maps disagree with each other. I checked my
1:100,000 series modern map to see if that place still existed. I
found nothing in that location but 2 km SW of Niedzieliska (1 km E of
Kiernozia) it shows a Wygoda. I then looked at my 1803 Gilley map
and it shows Wygoda Kr. in the same location as the modern map.
In any case, this seems to be a plausible location for you Wygoda.
Jerry
At 09:44 AM 18/03/2008, Rose Ingram wrote:
>Time frame is 1840's to 1860's.
>Two births in 1847 and 1850. Three older brothers living there in
>the 1860's when they married in Gostynin and Gabin.
>
>Early this morning an SGGEE member emailed a section of an old 1839
>map which shows a Wygoda Kr. between the present day villages of
>Niedzielska and Zalesie.
>
>Rose Ingram
> From: Jerry Frank
> Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 5:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Wygoda close to Ilow (Sochaczew)
>
>
> I don't see one any closer than that. What type of record and what
> time frame? In the early years the pastor covered a very large
> territory. I have found pre1810 confirmation records for locations
> as far south as Kochanow, near Rawa Mazowiecka.
>
>
> Jerry Frank - Calgary, Alberta
> FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca
>
>
>
>
> At 09:32 PM 17/03/2008, Rose Ingram wrote:
> >I have found people living in Wygoda in Ilow church records.
> >
> >Is there a Wygoda close to Ilow? Has it been renamed, or does it
> >exist any more?
> >
> >There is a Wygoda south of Lowicz which village does appear in
> Lowicz records.
> >
> >Rose Ingram
> >
>
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 07:35:58 +0100
From: "Lydia Eberhardt"
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Ship Manifest Emil Schmidt Help
With Location
To: "'Joan'" ,
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Hello Joan,
The picture on the link has a very bad resolution. It is not possible to
read anything.
Lydia Eberhardt
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Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 12:35 AM
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Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Ship Manifest Emil Schmidt Help With
Location
Hello to the group,
My research generally concerns Germans from Russia in the central area of
Poland, Rypin to be specific.
However, recently, I discovered on ancestry.com that my grandfather
apparently had a
brother I was unaware of, who met him when he emmigrated to Philadelphia.
This brother's name is Emil Schmidt. My mother told me that she had
relatives in the Philadephia area,
so this find excited me. I did a search on ancestry to see when and where
Emil emmigrated to the USA, and it was in 1907 to Cleveland.
My hunch that he was indeed my grandfather's brother was confirmed by the
ship manifest
stating his father as Gottlieb Schmidt, the same as my grandfather.
What I cannot understand is the location that is listed. Emil Schmidt is
about
eleven people down, just after the big group that is listed together. He
is listed as 18 years old, a farm laborer, Russian nationality, German
ethnicity, Russian language, but the location is one I have never heard of
if I am reading it correctly.
I am inserting a link to the document and hope someone can read this
location better than
I am able. I have not been able to find any place with this spelling in
the area I am familiar with, and now wonder if the family may have moved to
the Ukraine or Volga areas like many of the other Germans from Russia in
this group.
Here is the link:
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e87/Softsong/EmilSchmidt.jpg
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Joan Allen
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Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 15:54:01 -0700
From: Rose Ingram
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Wygoda close to Ilow (Sochaczew)
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There also appears to be a Wygoda as you indicate, about 2 km SE o f
Niedzielska. This Wygoda is right next to a place called Chrosle/Chrusle
(and written Krushla) in Volhynian records when these people migrated.
Chrusle was given as a birth place, when in fact the actual birth took place
in Wygoda.
So this is the right area.
Rose Ingram
From: Jerry Frank
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Wygoda close to Ilow (Sochaczew)
Interesting to see how maps disagree with each other. I checked my
1:100,000 series modern map to see if that place still existed. I
found nothing in that location but 2 km SW of Niedzieliska (1 km E of
Kiernozia) it shows a Wygoda. I then looked at my 1803 Gilley map
and it shows Wygoda Kr. in the same location as the modern map.
In any case, this seems to be a plausible location for you Wygoda.
Jerry
At 09:44 AM 18/03/2008, Rose Ingram wrote:
>Time frame is 1840's to 1860's.
>Two births in 1847 and 1850. Three older brothers living there in
>the 1860's when they married in Gostynin and Gabin.
>
>Early this morning an SGGEE member emailed a section of an old 1839
>map which shows a Wygoda Kr. between the present day villages of
>Niedzielska and Zalesie.
>
>Rose Ingram
> From: Jerry Frank
> Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 5:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Wygoda close to Ilow (Sochaczew)
>
>
> I don't see one any closer than that. What type of record and what
> time frame? In the early years the pastor covered a very large
> territory. I have found pre1810 confirmation records for locations
> as far south as Kochanow, near Rawa Mazowiecka.
>
>
> Jerry Frank - Calgary, Alberta
> FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca
>
>
>
>
> At 09:32 PM 17/03/2008, Rose Ingram wrote:
> >I have found people living in Wygoda in Ilow church records.
> >
> >Is there a Wygoda close to Ilow? Has it been renamed, or does it
> >exist any more?
> >
> >There is a Wygoda south of Lowicz which village does appear in
> Lowicz records.
> >
> >Rose Ingram
> >
>
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 08:06:27 -0400
From: Kenneth Browne
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Ship Manifest Emil Schmidt Help
With Location
To: Joan
Cc: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
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Joan wrote,
>
> Here is the link:
>
> http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e87/Softsong/EmilSchmidt.jpg
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Joan Allen
If you go back to the original source of the manifest document and
re-download it you may be able to save a larger file which will provide
better resolution.
I searched for Emil Schmidt on the Ellis Island website and came up with
a 17 year old who arrived in 1906...but it looks like his father's name
was Friedrich. Did not find an 18 year old arriving in 1907.
But back to my original point, the document I found was quite readable.
Click here to see it.
Or paste this long link into your browser.
http://www.ellisisland.org/search/shipmanifest.asp?MID=05489632120253414976&FNM=EMIL&LNM=SCHMIDT&PLNM=SCHMIDT&CGD=M&bSYR=1888&bEYR=1892&first_kind=1&last_kind=0&TOWN=null&SHIP=null&RF=41&pID=102279020201
Then click on the small picture to enlarge it. From there you can save
the file in a readable size.
Kenneth Browne researching:
BROWN(E) LEIGHTON TAYLOR CLOUGH/CLUFF
LACHMANN RUSSELL MORSE PETTENGILL
NOBLE SMALL WOLF MROCH LUEDTKE
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 08:24:39 -0600
From: Jerry Frank
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Ship Manifest Emil Schmidt Help
With Location
To: Joan ,
ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
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Though the image you provided was unreadable, another member
forwarded a good copy to me.
The village name appears to be Knewegoizet. This is totally
unrecognizable to me and a search of several map resources came up
blank. While there are towns in Poland beginning with Kn..., there
are none beginning Kne....
There are some additional clues in the next column. It appears that
this place is in the district of Sochaczew, province of
Warsaw. There is one other sub-district name that I am having
trouble reading. Looks like Gusk but that doesn't seem correct.
Of interest is that the Drews family immediately below is from the
same district. However, they lived in the village of Janeschew near
Ilow. Could it be that they were travelling together?
Jerry Frank - Calgary, Alberta
FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca
At 05:34 PM 19/03/2008, Joan wrote:
>Hello to the group,
>
> My research generally concerns Germans from Russia in the central
> area of Poland, Rypin to be specific.
>
> However, recently, I discovered on ancestry.com that my
> grandfather apparently had a
> brother I was unaware of, who met him when he emmigrated to
> Philadelphia. This brother's name is Emil Schmidt. My mother told
> me that she had relatives in the Philadephia area,
> so this find excited me. I did a search on ancestry to see when
> and where Emil emmigrated to the USA, and it was in 1907 to Cleveland.
>
> My hunch that he was indeed my grandfather's brother was
> confirmed by the ship manifest
> stating his father as Gottlieb Schmidt, the same as my grandfather.
>
> What I cannot understand is the location that is listed. Emil
> Schmidt is about
> eleven people down, just after the big group that is listed
> together. He is listed as 18 years old, a farm laborer, Russian
> nationality, German ethnicity, Russian language, but the location
> is one I have never heard of if I am reading it correctly.
>
> I am inserting a link to the document and hope someone can read
> this location better than
> I am able. I have not been able to find any place with this
> spelling in the area I am familiar with, and now wonder if the
> family may have moved to the Ukraine or Volga areas like many of
> the other Germans from Russia in this group.
>
> Here is the link:
>
> http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e87/Softsong/EmilSchmidt.jpg
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Joan Allen
>
>
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:29:01 -0600
From: Jerry Frank
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Ship Manifest Emil Schmidt Help
With Location
To: Joan ,
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Joan,
As mentioned in my previous post, I was puzzled by the district name
Gusk which appears in your record. In looking at my map of Powiat
Sochaczow, I saw that Ilow was shown as a principal town indicated
by a solid dot enclosed by a circle. I looked for other principal
towns with the same designation and found Glusk in the far
northeastern corner of the Powiat near the south bank of the Wisla
River. This is a short distance SW of Nowy Dwor.
2 km NW of Glusk is the village of Gniewniewice. This is a known
German settlement and I am quite certain that this is your
Knewegoizet without too much stretching of changed letters and sound.
I would recommend that your first avenue of research be the records
available for Nowy Dwor.
Jerry Frank - Calgary, Alberta
FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca
At 05:34 PM 19/03/2008, Joan wrote:
>Hello to the group,
>
> My research generally concerns Germans from Russia in the central
> area of Poland, Rypin to be specific.
>
> However, recently, I discovered on ancestry.com that my
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