[Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Malowana/SCHINDEL

[Jerry Frank]

Sorry Jack but now that I know your source, I can tell you that Malowana in Volhynia is not the same as the Wola Malowana you find with a GOOGLE search.    Wola Malowana is located some short distance from Lodz in Poland, formerly Russian Poland.  Malowana in Volhynia is a short distance SE of Luck in modern day Ukraine.

Travel at that time was typically one of two routes but there could be others.  One would be northerly by rail to the Baltic port of Libau and then by boat to Hamburg.  The other would be by land, perhaps wagon (or if travelling light, just horse) to Warsaw and then by rail to Hamburg.  In later years I think rail to Warsaw was also available.


Jerry Frank



----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Leigh <jack.leigh at shaw.ca>
Date: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 11:32 am
Subject: Re: Malowana/SCHINDEL

> Thanks very much for the information Jerry.
> 
> My mention of "Wola Malowana" was prompted by a Google search for
> "Malowana" which returns "Wola Malowana".  The locations appear to be
> identical, so I think I can conclude that "Malowana" is now "Wola 
> Malowana."
> Johann Phillip RING's wife Anna Marie (as the family shows her 
> name) was a
> SCHINDEL (not a SCHINDLER), a first cousin of my wife's great 
> grandfatherPhilip SCHINDEL.  My wife's grandfather (Jacob's 
> youngest surviving
> brother, also named Philip), emigrated in May 1893 with a group of 44
> "Germans" bound for Winnipeg, and the RINGs are part of the group. 
> There
> are also BABERs, GOLINGERs, more RINGs, and more SCHINDELs so four 
> of the
> five surnames that were in Jacob's original small group are in the 
> laterlarger group.
> 
> Since BAKER is the surname missing from the second group, I 
> wondered if it
> might be a mistake for BABER.  But I think that a BECKER family 
> travelledwith my wife's SCHINDELs over the years since they left 
> Bechtolsheim,Germany, in 1783, so I'm not sure.
> 
> Heinrich SCHINDEL and Katharina SCHMIDT are also members of my wife's
> family, Heinrich being another first cousin of my wife's great 
> grandfather. They emigrated to near Melville SK in 1903.
> 
> So does anyone know how emigrants travelled from eastern Poland to 
> Hamburg?
> For others interested in the SCHINDEL and related families, the 
> book "Sand
> Über Welke Blätter -- Eine Familienchronik über 300 Jahre" ISBN
> 3-00-009740-6, by Hartmut Meyer-Ohrt of Hamburg, published by BMO-
> VerlagGbR in 2003, is a history of the SCHINDELs.  Hartmut has 
> explained the
> title as follows:
> 
> "Sand über welke blätter" was a saying by our forefather's, which 
> meant in
> the Rhein area of Germany and later in Galicia/Volhynia, "forget it",
> "tempi passati" or "c'est la vie."
> 
>                ........... Jack
> ==================================================================
> 
> At 06:30 PM 2/26/2007 -0700, you wrote:
> >Jack,
> >
> >Maps that I have show the place as either Malowana or Kol. 
> >Malewanka.  There is no Wola shown.  There is however a Wygoda 
> just a 
> >few steps literally NW of Malowana.  The village is about 11 km 
> SE of Luck.
> >
> >Wola is a term that describes a form of village government - the 
> >Polish equivalent of a Holendry.  Whether or not this applied 
> here or 
> >not I do not know.
> >
> >Based on the St. Petersburg extractions, it seems that some of 
> these 
> >men that travelled together may have been related.
> >
> >Georg Baber is the son of Heinrich B. and Phillipinne Ring.  They 
> >were living in Lipiany (this is almost certainly actually 
> Liplany, 
> >about 6 km NW of Luck) when he was born.
> >
> >Also living at Lipiany were a Johann Philip Ring and his wife 
> >Marianna Schindler (good chance this should be Schindel)
> >
> >There was also at least one Schindel family in Lipiany, Heinrich 
> S. 
> >and wife Katherina Schmidt.
> >
> >Not sure how they hooked up with Golinger as that family lived 
> quite 
> >a distance away at Lidowka, near Nowograd Wolhynsk.
> >
> >Could not find any Baker references of value except that one 
> child of 
> >Heinrich Baber above is listed as a Baker because of a 
> >misinterpretation by the extractor.
> >
> >Jerry Frank - Calgary, Alberta
> >FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca
> 
>