[Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Grams in Poland RE Villages

[Jerry Frank]

Penny,

Tuczyn and Tutschin are the same place, just variant spellings that 
sound almost identical when pronounced.  Tutschin was also a parish 
in later years.

Zhitomir and Shitomir are also the same place.  Your family probably 
did not live there.  This was the name of the Lutheran Parish that 
served the places where they did live.  It was quite far away but the 
parish was very large.  See 
http://www.sggee.org/parish_histories/church_history for a link 
providing a diagram as to how and when the parishes developed.

Rowno was also later a parish but it was also a district name so that 
could be the connotation.  Rivne is the form as precisely 
transliterated from Russian Cyrillic.  Rowno / Rovno is the German form.

Kutozowka is some distance east from Tutschin.  Keep in mind that 
some families moved around a lot within Volhynia.

There are at least 3 Kamenka in Volhynia where Germans lived.  One of 
these was about 18 km NE of Tutschin so it is probably the one you 
would look for.

A significant number of Germans in Volhynia were cloth makers, 
especially in the early years.  As automation entered that market, 
many of these Germans turned to farming.  Your Grams family may have 
kept on in that industry.  There will be a presentation at this 
year's convention on Germans in the cloth making industry in Russian 
Poland and Volhynia.

When you refer to discrepancy between "2 files", I assume you mean 
between what Ewald provided you and what you are finding in the SGGEE 
databases.  Family lore and errors in extractions can contribute to 
errors. The truth, as close as we can ever find it, is in the actual 
church records.  You should double check these records to determine 
which dates are accurate.


Jerry Frank




At 08:53 AM 26/02/2007, Penelope Deib wrote:
>Thank you for the helpful responses to my questions as to location  of
>Sobotka and Szczepanow. I am trying to track the movements of our Grams
>family when they lived in Poland...according to research done by Ewald
>Wuschke the Andreas Grams family lived in Gramsdorf (Bukowiec), then
>Sobotka, Nowa Wies, then Szczepanow.  Andreas' son Matin Grams married in
>Szczepanow, his son August 'Wilhelm' Grams (our grt grandfather) moved with
>the family to Volhynia where he married Pauline Arndt in Zhitomir Parish in
>1866.  In the Odessa Library files and the SGGEE files their children are
>listed as being born in Tuczyn,Tutschin, Shitomir, Kamenka, Kutazowka, and
>Rovno...all in Volhynia?? I have found conflicting birthdates and birth
>places for many of the sixteen children between the two files which is very
>confusing.  Family story is that the Grams operated a woolen mill in the
>Rovno area and according to one of Wilhelm's daughter's birth record, it
>says her father was a Tuchmachermeister...master cloth maker. I had found
>information that said "Rivne, formarly known as Rovno, is this correct?
>Again, many thanks,
>Penny in Alberta
>