[Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Passports or Identity Papers

[LMPauling]

Is it possible the name of the ship could be ""Belgravia"? There seems to be 
a discrepancy between the 1910 census saying he immigrated in 1903 and the 
1909 naturalization paper saying he arrived in 1902.
According to Morton Allan Directory, the Belgravia arrived only once in 1902 
on Dec 30. In 1903 it arrived on Feb 24, April 8, June 27, Nov 2, and Dec 
23.

I do know that the information my grandfather gave on his naturalization 
form was incorrect as to ship name.

Just a thought...
linda pauling


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rose Ingram" <roseingram at shaw.ca>
To: <GVLESS at aol.com>; <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 6:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Passports or Identity Papers


>I looked at the 1903 entry Guenther referred to - Friedrich was going to 
>his
> brother Ferdinand in Buffalo, NY.    I agree with you, this is not your
> Fred.
>
> The  April 1910 Census of Elm Grove, Payne, Oklahoma has Fred Less, age 
> 26,
> still single, immigrated 1903.  (1920 Census in Silver Creek, Nebraska
> confirms your information)
>
> Now I wonder if he travelled under some other name??
>
>
> ROse Ingram
>
>
> From: <GVLESS at aol.com>
>
>
>> Freidrich Less' naturalization papers provide this info:  Dated 3  April
>> 1909, Alpena, Michigan:
>> .....imigrated to the U.S. from Hamburg, Germany on or about 25 day of 
>> May
>> 1902 and arrived at port of New York in the United States on the vessel
>> Bataviga....."  With the naturalization papers being filled out 6 years
>> after Less
>> arrived here he may have forgotten some of the facts he supplied for 
>> this
>> paper.  The ship itself I have not been able to find one with this  name
>> at least
>> in the Ellis Island records.  I have checked Ancestry this  week on their
>> free opportunity and they said there was no records for this  Freidrich
>> Less, age
>> 19, arriving in 1903.  So - where do I go from  here?
>>
>> The Freidrich Less you found Gunether as coming into Maryland at age 26
>> can
>> not be the right one.  We do have proof of Freidrich Less' birth year at
>> 1884
>> from his Confirmation paper.
>> That would definitely make him age 19 when immigrating.  Besides if he
>> was
>> trying to move from having to deal with the Russian Army it seems age 19
>> would
>> have been the right time to get out.  He was younger than his  brother,
>> Erdmann, who was in the military and immigrated the year before in  1902.
>> Both of
>> them lived in Alpena, Michigan for a few years when they  first came to
>> the
>> USA and worked as lumberjacks there.
>>
>> Thanks for all of you trying to help me on this.  If anyone has any 
>> ideas
>> what to do next in this research let me know.  What about going to  the
>> Hamburg
>> records?  Does anyone have any success from those?
>>
>> Virginia Less
>
>
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