[Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Question for Dick Stein

Mary J Kelley mjkelley at tds.net
Fri Mar 10 14:03:07 PST 2006 

Dick,

In your extraction of names from the film had you come across any Frederick, 
Martin, Johann, Jakob Stark??

thank you Much

Mary Jo Stark Kelley

In your
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>   1. Re: Orgin of Germans in the Sompolno, Chodecz area
>      (Richard A. Stein)
>   2. Origin of Germans in the Sompolno (William Remus)
>   3. Research Material at Alberta Provincial Archives (Ron Neuman)
>   4. old pic (Wilma Schultz)
>   5. Two towns in Volhynia (Christopher Menke)
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> Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 16:29:04 -0700
> From: "Richard A. Stein" <ra_stein at telus.net>
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Orgin of Germans in the Sompolno,
> Chodecz area
> To: "Christian Lucht" <christianlucht at googlemail.com>,
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> Christian,
>
> I am extracting the German names from microfilms of church books of some
> Catholic parishes north of Sompolno and also in Chodecz.  The first German
> names appear about 1780.  Very few marriage or death records indicate the
> place of birth.  When they do it is usually in Posen province.  It appears
> to me that most of the early German settlers came from the Netze district 
> in
> Posen.  After the third partition of Poland in 1795, there may have been
> some settlers from southwest Germany, such as Wuertemberg.  Another
> observation is that many of the settlers stayed only for a few years and
> then moved on elsewhere.  A couple would have one or two children and then
> disappear.  Others may have more definitive information about the places 
> of
> origin of the Germans in these areas.
>
> Dick Stein
>
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> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Orgin of Germans in the Sompolno, Chodecz
> area
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>> I was wondering if someone would know where the German settlers in the
>> Sompolno and Chodecz area originally came from (which part or cities
>> of Germany) as well as when they settled there.
>> Thank you, Christian Lucht
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> Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 16:30:42 -1000
> From: William Remus <remus at hawaii.edu>
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Origin of Germans in the Sompolno
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>> From: "Christian Lucht" <christianlucht at googlemail.com>
>> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Orgin of Germans in the Sompolno,
>> Chodecz area
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>> I was wondering if someone would know where the German settlers
>> in the
>> Sompolno and Chodecz area originally came from (which part or cities
>> of Germany) as well as when they settled there.
>> Thank you, Christian Lucht
>>
> For many settlers, there is a long story here - so here is a quick and 
> simple general  answer.
>
> It starts with the three partitions of Poland. After the first partition 
> in 1772, it was clear to the Prussians that the newly acquired land would 
> be more manageable with there were additional German settlers there. So 
> settlers were recruited from areas of war and famine like Wurtemburg ins 
> SW Germany (a frequent site of French occupation); others came in from 
> nearby Neumark and Saxony/Silesia. Since the area near Poznan which was 
> gained in the first partition was suitable for clothmaking (flax farming 
> in sandy soil, linen and lace making), many of these people were 
> clothmakers and weavers. For example, my Bidermanns now located near LeDuc 
> AB, were from Brittheim just south of Stuttgart. My Hoffmanns and Lehmanns 
> were also from that region. These groups ended up in places like Skokken 
> and Kolmar north of Poznan and Labischen east of Poznan (and generally all 
> around Poznan).
>
> The second and third partitions led to more land for Prussia and more 
> movement out of first partition land to the new land plus more inflow from 
> Germany proper.
>
> Napolean occupied the whole area from about 1806 to 1814 and set up a 
> Duchy of Warsaw to administer a chunk of central Poland (the head of the 
> Duchy was from Saxony). Then when Napolean was beaten, Poland was 
> redivided giving Russia more of Poland. These changes led both to 
> opportunities for better land but sometimes caused the German settlers to 
> be suddenly in Russian territory.
>
> So on Sampolno I think I recall movement into that area starting just 
> prior to Napolean with continued German populations until the first 
> Volhynia migration of 1833 (prompted by a Polish uprising in Russian 
> Poland and economic opportunity in Volhynia) and greater migrations in the 
> 1860's (prompted by another uprising in Russian Poland and even greater 
> economic opportunity). For those in the Rawa area of Poland administered 
> by Prussia after the third partition, they found themselves suddenly in 
> Russian Poland.
>
> So I would try to find them around Poznan like Labischen and Kolmar - and 
> see then if you can get them back to likely Wurtemburg, Neumark, and 
> Saxony/Silesia. The family names will give you a clue. Look for the region 
> associated with your family names.
>
> Regards bill remus
> Remus from Saxony via Volhynia and West Prussia
> Lehmann, Hoffmann, and Bidermann from southern Germany like Wurtemburg via 
> Volhynia
> Radkes from northern Germany (note the -ke ending) via Volhynia
> Poll from Vorpommern (this is said to be a Scottish name) direct to the US
> Lieverenz from Vorpommern direct to the US
> Holzhauer from Hesse direct to the US
> Haarwardt from unknown parts (any guesses?)
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 20:43:50 -0700
> From: Ron Neuman <ron at neuman.ca>
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Research Material at Alberta Provincial
> Archives
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> I spent some time at the Provincial Archives of Alberta in Edmonton
> this afternoon looking at a source that I have never previously
> used  in my many years of researching.
>
> Alberta celebrated its 75th Anniversary as a province of Canada in
> 1980 (yes, the 100th anniversary was last year), and the Provincial
> Government had two special sets of medallions casted by the federal
> mint at Fort Saskatchewan for the occasion.  Gold medallions were
> presented to those citizens of the province who had been born in
> Alberta prior to 1905.  Silver medallions were presented to those who
> were born prior to 1905 (outside of Alberta) and subsequently moved
> to Alberta.  Citizens were required to fill out an application form
> with some basic information in order to qualify for a medallion.
>
> The collection of these application forms resides at the Provincial
> Archives (Accession Number 82.66).  The collection is comprised of
> the original hand filled forms that were submitted to the Provincial
> Government in 1979/1980 by citizens of Alberta, and generally they
> were filled out by the applicant or someone in the applicant's family.
>
> The information is fairly basic, but is very useful if you are trying
> to trace the place of birth of one of these oldtimers.  The
> information on the form includes name, birth date, age, place of
> birth, current address, place where the applicant lived prior to
> 1906, and how long they had been in Alberta.
>
> The birth dates are filled out in ALL cases, as well as the place of
> birth, and current address for 1980.  The quality of information for
> the place of birth is quite varied.  In some cases there is good
> detail (for example - Antinufka, Wladimir, Poland/Russia; or
> Sampolno, Russian Poland; or Josefin, Ukraine, Russia), and in some
> cases fairly vague (for example - Russia; or Poland).
>
> I presently have a project underway of sorting out the many Neumann
> families who settled in the South Edmonton farming area, and these
> records are proving to be quite useful.  I found 16 Neumanns who
> received silver medallions, and 2 who received gold medallions (and
> of the 18 records, 13 provided reasonably good detail on place of birth).
>
> If you plan on using these records, it is wise to remember that this
> collection contains only those people who applied for a
> medallion.  Not everyone who was eligible for a medallion actually
> applied for a medallion.
>
> A third form of recognition was also distributed in 1980 - the
> Pioneer Pin.  It was given to those residents of Alberta who had been
> born in Alberta between 1906 and 1916.  I did not see an index of
> those people in the record system, but I will check with an archivist
> the next time I visit the Archives.
>
>
>
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> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 00:06:03 -0700
> From: Wilma Schultz <LydiaEm at shaw.ca>
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] old pic
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> Hey all,
>
>  I know this is a long shot, but I thought I would post this link. Let me 
> know if this photo is familiar to anyone. My family here in Canada lost 
> touch with the Wolter/Walter/s family in Germany years ago.
> Cheers,
> Wilma.
>
> http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/s/c/h/Wilma-Schultz/PHOTO/0064photo.html
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 10:22:35 -0800 (PST)
> From: Christopher Menke <menke5616 at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Two towns in Volhynia
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> Hello All,
>  Were there two towns in the same vicinity as Alexandria and Mariendorf 
> (Puchawa) Volhynia called Kostsche and Janowka? My Menke / Manke family 
> was from Alexandria / Mariendorf, and there were Menke's in Kostsche and 
> Janowka.
>  Tomorrow I am making my first visit to an LDS center to order films.
>  Thanks, Chris Menke
>
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