[Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Neuman ship record

[Ron Neuman]

Thank you once again John.  I had spotted that information 
previously, but until the discovery of the possible location of 
Denyse near Zhitomir, I wasn't paying too much attention to this record.

It is interesting that this birth of Rosalia is the only record that 
I can find for the birth/baptism of a child of Johann Neumann/Louise 
Berkand in the Volhynia records.

The family of Johann/Louise Neumann that I am researching had three 
younger children (Christina, Erdmann and Mathilda), and they all 
appear to have been born 1886 or later, so I cannot check for them in 
Volhynian records.  I have not found the older children of 
Johann/Louise Neumann in the Volhynia records, so if Johann Neumann 
and Louise Berkand are the family that I am looking for, I suspect 
that the older children may have been born in Poland prior to the 
family moving to Volhynia.

These older children were:
Christian (listed on the ships passenger list and the 1901/1906 
Census of Canada) - born about 1878
Ludwig (listed in the 1906/1911 census) - likely born in the late 1870's
Frederick (found on a different ships passenger with his sister, 
Christina; and 1906/1911 census) - born about 1869 and died in 1970 at age 101
Annie and Amelia - both appear to be older than Rosalia and were 
listed on the 1922 Probate Record for John Neumann as "daughter 
living in Russia".

Any thoughts as to a possible location for Johann/Louise in Poland 
would be appreciated.

One obvious place to look for birth information would be in church 
records in Canada, but we will rule that one out for now, because all 
of the Lutheran families in the farm area southeast of Edmonton 
attended the Ellerslie (St. Paul's) Lutheran Church, and the original 
church burned to the ground in the 1930's with all records prior to 
that time being lost.



At 09:31 PM 2/23/2006, John Rauchert wrote:
>If the Province is Zhitomir then one possible candidate for Neumann, Rosalia
>b. abt. 1882 is:
>
>Surname     Given Name    Birth Day    Event Place     Father     Mother
>Film or Item Page Number Register
>
>Neumann    Rosalie         4 Oct 1881    Ludmilowka    Johann     Berkand,
>Louise     1897596/1 557 32
>
>I believe that Ludmilowka is located jsut west (and north of the road) of
>Zhitomir
>
>John Rauchert
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Dave Obee" <daveobee at shaw.ca>
>To: "Ron Neuman" <ron at neuman.ca>; "Jerry Frank" <FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca>;
>"John Rauchert" <jfrauchert at shaw.ca>;
><ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
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>Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Neuman ship record
>
>
> > Modern map shows Denishi west of Zhitomir. On the road along the river,
> > not
> > the freeway.
> >
> > Dave Obee
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ron Neuman" <ron at neuman.ca>
> > To: "Jerry Frank" <FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca>; "John Rauchert"
> > <jfrauchert at shaw.ca>; <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 4:55 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Neuman ship record
> >
> >
> >> I just found a possibility for Denyse on my 1:200,000 map series of
> >> Eastern Europe - 1939 vintage.  This is the
> >> "Hauptvermessungsabateilung XIV in Wien" map series.
> >>
> >> I found two villages about 20 km WSW of Zhitomir by the names of
> >> Denesze and Deneszewskaja Huta.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> At 05:26 PM 2/23/2006, Jerry Frank wrote:
> >> >Actually Nativity = place of birth which in this case appears to be
> >> >Giti?nerski, Auma ?????  Comparing to other sloppy writing on the
> >> >page, it almost looks like it could be Ausria where he forgot to
> >> >write the t (see for example lines 11 & 20, 5th column).
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Jerry Frank - Calgary, Alberta
> >> >FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >At 04:31 PM 23/02/2006, John Rauchert wrote:
> >> > >On page 2 of that ellis island manifest it gives a Province of
> >> > >Nativity, which may help narrow it down a bit (under the first entry).
> >> > >
> >> > >Here is a copy of that page.
> >> > >
> >> > >http://johnrauchert.brinkster.net/rauchert/page2.htm
> >> > >
> >> > >John F. Rauchert
> >> > >
> >> > >----- Original Message -----
> >> > >From: ger-poland-volhynia-request at eclipse.sggee.org
> >> > >Date: Thursday, February 23, 2006 1:00 pm
> >> > >Subject: Ger-Poland-Volhynia Digest, Vol 33, Issue 20
> >> > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > On Johann Neumann's death record (1922) from Alberta Vital
> >> > > > Statistics, his place of birth is listed as "Poland".
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I have been unable to find this village of "Denyse", and I would
> >> > > > appreciate any suggestions.  I suspect strongly that it is in
> >> > > > Poland,
> >> > > > but I have not ruled out Volhynia as a possibility.
> >> > > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
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