[Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Ger-Poland-Volhynia Digest, Vol 33, Issue 21

Fri Feb 24 11:19:24 PST 2006

Hello,

My great grandmother was born in Drezsno, Gostynin Poland. Could it be the
same village.

Kerstin Petersen
Denmark

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>   1. Village of Denyse (Earl.Schultz)
>   2. Articles in National Geographic (DrVbuzz at aol.com)
>   3. Re: Ger-Poland-Volhynia Digest, Vol 33, Issue 20 (John Rauchert)
>   4. Re: Neuman ship record (Jerry Frank)
>   5. Re: Ger-Poland-Volhynia Digest, Vol 33, Issue 20 (Ron Neuman)
>   6. Re: Neuman ship record (Miles Ertman)
>   7. Re: Neuman ship record (Jerry Frank)
>   8. Re: Neuman ship record (Rose Ingram)
>   9. Re: Neuman ship record (Ron Neuman)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 15:23:35 -0600
> From: "Earl.Schultz" <Earl.Schultz at telusplanet.net>
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Village of Denyse
> To: <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
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> Ron, I checked the Ellis Is. record and it does look like Denyse although
> the D could be another letter and the n could be a 'u'.  Denyse does not
> look like a Polish village.
>
> I then checked my Michalki Parish records and I found a Jan Neuman born in
> the same year as your Johann.  Interestingly, he was born in Dzierzno.
> Now
> the two villages would be pronounced differently but I'm wondering if
> Denyse
> was an attempt to write Dzierzno.  A bit of a stretch but I thought your
> should know about my Jan Neuman.  Incidentally his parents were Michal
> Neuman and Maria Grapatin and he was born in 1851.
>
> Earl
>
>
> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:59:22 -0700
> From: Ron Neuman <ron at neuman.ca>
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Village of Denyse
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.0.20060222225256.01cb0ea8 at mail.neuman.ca>
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> I have found a Johann Neumann in the Ellis Island Passenger Lists,
> and he and his family are one of the many Neumann families that I am
> researching in the southeast Edmonton area starting as early as 1892.
>
> Johann Neumann (and his family of Louise, Christian, Rosalie,
> Mathilde and Erdmann) arrived at Ellis Island on May 4, 1899 and the
> port of departure was Bremen.  The shipping company was the
> Norddeutscher Lloyd Co.  Nationality is given as Russian, and last
> residence is listed as "Denyse".  Their final destination in the USA
> is listed as Winnipeg ["yes, I know that Winnipeg is in Canada"], and
> they are going to join an acquaintance in Edmonton named Christof
> Lemke.  I have found both Johann Neumann and Christof Lemke in the
> 1901 Census for Canada in the farm area southeast of Edmonton, so
> they both made it that far.
>
> On Johann Neumann's death record (1922) from Alberta Vital
> Statistics, his place of birth is listed as "Poland".
>
> I have been unable to find this village of "Denyse", and I would
> appreciate any suggestions.  I suspect strongly that it is in Poland,
> but I have not ruled out Volhynia as a possibility.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 17:41:01 EST
> From: DrVbuzz at aol.com
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Articles in National Geographic
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
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> The March issue of National Geographic has a lengthy article on  Ukraine
> and
> the many issues facing their relatively new democracy.   There is also a
> fascinating article on DNA, describing the  advances made in that field of
> research, which is of interest to many of  us.
>
>
> Victor Gess  Searching in Poland & Volhynia:
> Gess/Jesse/Jess/Riske/Rode/Rohde/Rhode/Schmuland/Wonnek
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 16:31:43 -0700
> From: John Rauchert <jfrauchert at shaw.ca>
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Ger-Poland-Volhynia Digest, Vol 33,
> Issue 20
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
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> On page 2 of that ellis island manifest it gives a Province of Nativity,
> which may help narrow it down a bit (under the first entry).
>
> Here is a copy of that page.
>
> http://johnrauchert.brinkster.net/rauchert/page2.htm
>
> John F. Rauchert
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ger-poland-volhynia-request at eclipse.sggee.org
> Date: Thursday, February 23, 2006 1:00 pm
> Subject: Ger-Poland-Volhynia Digest, Vol 33, Issue 20
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>>
>> On Johann Neumann's death record (1922) from Alberta Vital
>> Statistics, his place of birth is listed as "Poland".
>>
>> I have been unable to find this village of "Denyse", and I would
>> appreciate any suggestions.  I suspect strongly that it is in
>> Poland,
>> but I have not ruled out Volhynia as a possibility.
>>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 17:26:56 -0700
> From: Jerry Frank <FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca>
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Neuman ship record
> To: John Rauchert <jfrauchert at shaw.ca>,
> ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
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> Actually Nativity = place of birth which in this case appears to be
> Giti?nerski, Auma ?????  Comparing to other sloppy writing on the
> page, it almost looks like it could be Ausria where he forgot to
> write the t (see for example lines 11 & 20, 5th column).
>
>
> Jerry Frank - Calgary, Alberta
> FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca
>
>
>
>
> At 04:31 PM 23/02/2006, John Rauchert wrote:
>>On page 2 of that ellis island manifest it gives a Province of
>>Nativity, which may help narrow it down a bit (under the first entry).
>>
>>Here is a copy of that page.
>>
>>http://johnrauchert.brinkster.net/rauchert/page2.htm
>>
>>John F. Rauchert
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: ger-poland-volhynia-request at eclipse.sggee.org
>>Date: Thursday, February 23, 2006 1:00 pm
>>Subject: Ger-Poland-Volhynia Digest, Vol 33, Issue 20
>>
>> >
>> > On Johann Neumann's death record (1922) from Alberta Vital
>> > Statistics, his place of birth is listed as "Poland".
>> >
>> > I have been unable to find this village of "Denyse", and I would
>> > appreciate any suggestions.  I suspect strongly that it is in
>> > Poland,
>> > but I have not ruled out Volhynia as a possibility.
>> >
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 17:42:59 -0700
> From: Ron Neuman <ron at neuman.ca>
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Ger-Poland-Volhynia Digest, Vol 33,
> Issue 20
> To: John Rauchert <jfrauchert at shaw.ca>,
> ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.0.20060223173751.01cc7910 at mail.neuman.ca>
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> Thank you John.  I missed page 2 of that record, and the Country of
> Nativity is Russia, and the Province looks like Zitimerski, which I
> assume would most likely be Zhitomir.  So the most likely area for me
> to focus my search will be Volhynia in the Zhitomir
> Parish/region.  Once again, thanks for you help.
>
>
> At 04:31 PM 2/23/2006, John Rauchert wrote:
>>On page 2 of that ellis island manifest it gives a Province of
>>Nativity, which may help narrow it down a bit (under the first entry).
>>
>>Here is a copy of that page.
>>
>>http://johnrauchert.brinkster.net/rauchert/page2.htm
>>
>>John F. Rauchert
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: ger-poland-volhynia-request at eclipse.sggee.org
>>Date: Thursday, February 23, 2006 1:00 pm
>>Subject: Ger-Poland-Volhynia Digest, Vol 33, Issue 20
>>
>> >
>> > On Johann Neumann's death record (1922) from Alberta Vital
>> > Statistics, his place of birth is listed as "Poland".
>> >
>> > I have been unable to find this village of "Denyse", and I would
>> > appreciate any suggestions.  I suspect strongly that it is in
>> > Poland,
>> > but I have not ruled out Volhynia as a possibility.
>> >
>>
>>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 17:45:33 -0700
> From: Miles Ertman <milesertman at shaw.ca>
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Neuman ship record
> To: Jerry Frank <FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca>
> Cc: John Rauchert <jfrauchert at shaw.ca>,
> ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
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> To me it looks like Zitimirski, Russia (ie. Zhitomir, Russia)
>
>
>
> On 23-Feb-06, at 5:26 PM, Jerry Frank wrote:
>
>> Actually Nativity = place of birth which in this case appears to be
>> Giti?nerski, Auma ?????  Comparing to other sloppy writing on the
>> page, it almost looks like it could be Ausria where he forgot to
>> write the t (see for example lines 11 & 20, 5th column).
>>
>>
>> Jerry Frank - Calgary, Alberta
>> FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> At 04:31 PM 23/02/2006, John Rauchert wrote:
>>> On page 2 of that ellis island manifest it gives a Province of
>>> Nativity, which may help narrow it down a bit (under the first
>>> entry).
>>>
>>> Here is a copy of that page.
>>>
>>> http://johnrauchert.brinkster.net/rauchert/page2.htm
>>>
>>> John F. Rauchert
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: ger-poland-volhynia-request at eclipse.sggee.org
>>> Date: Thursday, February 23, 2006 1:00 pm
>>> Subject: Ger-Poland-Volhynia Digest, Vol 33, Issue 20
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Johann Neumann's death record (1922) from Alberta Vital
>>>> Statistics, his place of birth is listed as "Poland".
>>>>
>>>> I have been unable to find this village of "Denyse", and I would
>>>> appreciate any suggestions.  I suspect strongly that it is in
>>>> Poland,
>>>> but I have not ruled out Volhynia as a possibility.
>>>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 17:49:12 -0700
> From: Jerry Frank <FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca>
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Neuman ship record
> To: Miles Ertman <milesertman at shaw.ca>
> Cc: John Rauchert <jfrauchert at shaw.ca>,
> ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
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> On second look I agree with very sloppy Russia but disagree with
> Zitimirski.  Have to go out for awhile but will think more on what
> that province could be.
>
>
> At 05:45 PM 23/02/2006, Miles Ertman wrote:
>>To me it looks like Zitimirski, Russia (ie. Zhitomir, Russia)
>>
>>
>>
>>On 23-Feb-06, at 5:26 PM, Jerry Frank wrote:
>>
>>>Actually Nativity = place of birth which in this case appears to be
>>>Giti?nerski, Auma ?????  Comparing to other sloppy writing on the
>>>page, it almost looks like it could be Ausria where he forgot to
>>>write the t (see for example lines 11 & 20, 5th column).
>>>
>>>
>>>Jerry Frank - Calgary, Alberta
>>>FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>At 04:31 PM 23/02/2006, John Rauchert wrote:
>>>>On page 2 of that ellis island manifest it gives a Province of
>>>>Nativity, which may help narrow it down a bit (under the first
>>>>entry).
>>>>
>>>>Here is a copy of that page.
>>>>
>>>>http://johnrauchert.brinkster.net/rauchert/page2.htm
>>>>
>>>>John F. Rauchert
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: ger-poland-volhynia-request at eclipse.sggee.org
>>>>Date: Thursday, February 23, 2006 1:00 pm
>>>>Subject: Ger-Poland-Volhynia Digest, Vol 33, Issue 20
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>On Johann Neumann's death record (1922) from Alberta Vital
>>>>>Statistics, his place of birth is listed as "Poland".
>>>>>
>>>>>I have been unable to find this village of "Denyse", and I would
>>>>>appreciate any suggestions.  I suspect strongly that it is in
>>>>>Poland,
>>>>>but I have not ruled out Volhynia as a possibility.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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> Jerry Frank - Calgary, Alberta
> FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca
>
>
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 16:53:38 -0800
> From: Rose Ingram <roseingram at shaw.ca>
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Neuman ship record
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
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> I would say the country is Russia not Austria.
> I suspect the reference to Russia is because he was living in Russian
> controlled Poland.
> The Gitirnerski or Gitisnerski? province is strange.
>
> Rose Ingram
>
> From: "Jerry Frank"
>> Actually Nativity = place of birth which in this case appears to be
>> Giti?nerski, Auma ?????  Comparing to other sloppy writing on the
>> page, it almost looks like it could be Ausria where he forgot to
>> write the t (see for example lines 11 & 20, 5th column).
>>
>>
>> Jerry Frank - Calgary, Alberta
>> FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca
>>
>>
>> At 04:31 PM 23/02/2006, John Rauchert wrote:
>>>On page 2 of that ellis island manifest it gives a Province of
>>>Nativity, which may help narrow it down a bit (under the first entry).
>>>
>>>Here is a copy of that page.
>>>
>>>http://johnrauchert.brinkster.net/rauchert/page2.htm
>>>
>>>John F. Rauchert
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: ger-poland-volhynia-request at eclipse.sggee.org
>>>Date: Thursday, February 23, 2006 1:00 pm
>>>Subject: Ger-Poland-Volhynia Digest, Vol 33, Issue 20
>>>
>>> >
>>> > On Johann Neumann's death record (1922) from Alberta Vital
>>> > Statistics, his place of birth is listed as "Poland".
>>> >
>>> > I have been unable to find this village of "Denyse", and I would
>>> > appreciate any suggestions.  I suspect strongly that it is in
>>> > Poland,
>>> > but I have not ruled out Volhynia as a possibility.
>>> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 17:55:52 -0700
> From: Ron Neuman <ron at neuman.ca>
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Neuman ship record
> To: Jerry Frank <FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca>, John Rauchert
> <jfrauchert at shaw.ca>, ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.0.20060223175219.01cb0a60 at mail.neuman.ca>
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> I just found a possibility for Denyse on my 1:200,000 map series of
> Eastern Europe - 1939 vintage.  This is the
> "Hauptvermessungsabateilung XIV in Wien" map series.
>
> I found two villages about 20 km WSW of Zhitomir by the names of
> Denesze and Deneszewskaja Huta.
>
>
>
> At 05:26 PM 2/23/2006, Jerry Frank wrote:
>>Actually Nativity = place of birth which in this case appears to be
>>Giti?nerski, Auma ?????  Comparing to other sloppy writing on the
>>page, it almost looks like it could be Ausria where he forgot to
>>write the t (see for example lines 11 & 20, 5th column).
>>
>>
>>Jerry Frank - Calgary, Alberta
>>FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>At 04:31 PM 23/02/2006, John Rauchert wrote:
>> >On page 2 of that ellis island manifest it gives a Province of
>> >Nativity, which may help narrow it down a bit (under the first entry).
>> >
>> >Here is a copy of that page.
>> >
>> >http://johnrauchert.brinkster.net/rauchert/page2.htm
>> >
>> >John F. Rauchert
>> >
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: ger-poland-volhynia-request at eclipse.sggee.org
>> >Date: Thursday, February 23, 2006 1:00 pm
>> >Subject: Ger-Poland-Volhynia Digest, Vol 33, Issue 20
>> >
>> > >
>> > > On Johann Neumann's death record (1922) from Alberta Vital
>> > > Statistics, his place of birth is listed as "Poland".
>> > >
>> > > I have been unable to find this village of "Denyse", and I would
>> > > appreciate any suggestions.  I suspect strongly that it is in
>> > > Poland,
>> > > but I have not ruled out Volhynia as a possibility.
>> > >
>>
>>
>>
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