[Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Julian and Gregorian Dates in Lipno Records

[Gary Warner]

Linda,

I am certainly no expert on the use of the two 
calendars, but I will take a stab at it.

First, there is a nifty calendar converter at 
http://www.calendarhome.com/converter/

For those of you not familiar with the two 
calendars, there are also written discussions on 
the two calendars at a number of places, 
including 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_calendar 
The Russians continued to use the old calendar until after World War I.

Second, my guess is that in the early 1800s in 
Poland that the date being used was the old 
Julian calendar, but I do not know for certain, 
since most of the rest of Europe had already 
changed to the modern Gregorian calendar by that 
time.    Do you have records where the same 
pastor suddenly changed from using both dates to 
only a single date?   If so, you may be able to 
determine which calendar he was using at that 
time if the next entry was less than two weeks later.

Finally, why are you supposing that you need 
anyone's permission to record a date based on 
either calendar?    Yes, we would like to get all 
of the dates based on the same calendar, but I 
have no idea which calendar anyone is using when 
they give SGGEE data.    The only dates that I am 
pretty sure are correct are those where they 
provide both dates for the event.    Not all 
family history programs will do that, 
however.      I believe that most people are 
using the Gregorian date when submitting data, 
but that is only a guess until I see that date 
conflict with a date submitted by someone else.

One last thing, and not directly related to your 
questions Linda.   I am seeing some date 
conflicts in the data submitted by members.    It 
is very apparent that some of you, who shall 
remain unnamed, are taking notes in short hand 
when copying dates from other records.    Those 
unnamed people are obviously making hand written 
notes that say something like 12/06/1900.   The 
problem is that this date can mean two different 
dates, depending on which part of the world you 
live in.    In some parts of the world, the above 
date is December 6, 1900, and in other places the 
date is June 12, 1900.    NEVER, NEVER, NEVER use 
such short hand notations.   If you do, your data 
entry will likely be incorrect.

Gary Warner

At 09:00 AM 8/17/2006, LMPauling wrote:
>I have had the following inquiry from a 
>correspondent in Germany and I do not know the 
>answer to his question. I am hoping one of you 
>more knowledgable people on our list may be able to give him an answer.
>
>I did miss seeing you all at convention and hope you had a wonderful weekend!
>Linda Pauling
>
>I've noticed, that several documents of the 
>Lutheran church records of Osiek nad 
>Wisla/Osówka and Lipno (and also of Plock, 
>Wyszogród and Sierpc) often show two dates 
>during the period between 1826 and 1867, using 
>the Julian and the Gregorian Calendar. But a not 
>small number of documens show only one date for 
>the named period, even though the Polish Kingdom 
>was part of the Russian Empire at that time.
>
>Is it allowed to use the Gregorian calendar 
>automatically, if only one date is given, like 
>in the period befor 1815? Or must the question 
>of using one definite calendar stay unanswered, 
>if there is no further spcification?
>
>
>
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