[Ger-Poland-Volhynia] September 31 ????

[Bill Fife]

Gary,

You state "It would be nice if someone had the time to use the calendar 
converter to document what year the changes were effective from the 1500s 
through 1917."

This is not as simple as it may seem.  You not only have to find the date of 
the change, you must keep in mind that different countries changed calendars 
at different times.

If the notes I have been keeping on the subject are correct, in 1582 Pope 
Gregory XIII decreed that the day following 4 October 1582 would be called 
15 October 1582. This was the start of the 10 days difference

Many good Catholic countries, France, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Luxembourg, 
Prussia, the Catholic States of Germany, Switzerland and Holland quickly 
jumped on the band wagon.  Poland changed in 1586 and Hungary in 1587.



The Protestant countries did not want to be seen a followers  and dragged 
their feet. Not until  1752 did the British Government, George II was the 
King, impose the Gregorian Calendar on all its possessions --- including the 
American Colonies.



By then, the cumulative error was calculated to be 11 days --- so the decree 
told everyone that the day after 2 September 1752 would be called 14 
September 1752, a correction of 11 days.



Lenin's Government decreed that the day after 31 January 1918, O.S. (old 
style calendar) would be called 14 February 1918, N.S. (new style calendar) 
so, Lenin got to abolish three more days than Pope Gregory XIII. It is  my 
understanding is that the Russian Orthodox Church decided not to followed 
suit and still uses the Julian Calendar as do some Christian sects in the 
Middle East.



In Russia, one would add 12 days - until 28 Feb 1900 - 13 days thereafter to 
arrive at NS. However, as we've seen, the Western European countries had 
already made the change.





England did not formally adopt the Georgian calendar until 170 years after a 
large part of the world.  Greece did not change calendars until 1923.



Bill





----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gary Warner" <gary at warnerengineering.com>
To: "Rose Ingram" <roseingram at shaw.ca>; "Karl Krueger" 
<dabookk54 at yahoo.com>; "Mail List" <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] September 31 ????


Rose,

I remember trying a series of dates in the calendar converter at
http://www.calendarhome.com/converter/  and as I recall, the change in days
was not exactly at the century mark, and even varied a little bit from
century to century in the change in number of days.  It would be nice if
someone had the time to use the calendar converter to document what year
the changes were effective from the 1500s through 1917, when I think the
Russians finally stopped using the Julian calendar.

Gary Warner
Gig Harbor, WA

Gary



At 11:48 AM 1/20/2005, Rose Ingram wrote:
>Someone will correct me if I am wrong, but I thought the 13 days
>difference was in effect after 1900.  Prior to that most double dates in
>the records were 12 days apart.
>
>Rose Ingram
>
>
>From: "Karl Krueger" Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 7:03 AM
>
>>Does anyone know if the some groups using the old Julian calendar or some
>>other time employed a September 31 day?
>>
>>I have translated a course of life my grandfather wrote and in being very
>>specific to some dates he also gives the days of the week. Therefore I
>>could tell the dates he was using were according to the Julian calendar -
>>13 days off from our (Gregorian) calendar. But at one point he is quite
>>definite on specific dates and days of the week but I find he is off by
>>one day in this set of paragraphs. I wondered if by chance some people
>>used 30 days in August and 31 days in September as this would explain it,
>>however, my limited research online did not indicate such usage.
>>
>>Now I just translated for someone something that was handwritten back in
>>this same period as when my grandfather's story occurred. This person
>>seems to indicate a birthdate of Sep. 31, 1894. Since this is now the
>>second case in favor of a Sep 31 possibility I wonder if anyone else can
>>shed light on this - or do we have two different people making mistakes.
>>
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