Fw: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] surname SEL(L)INGERGer-Poland-VolhyniaDigest,

[BobF]

Howard
Its been a number of  years now since I worked on that line and
im not certain at the moment if I found that connection myself
or if another researcher supplied it to me. That Selinger line had
come into the Liliopol area and then later moved on to Plock.
There seems to be 2 periods of migration from the eastern Brandenburg
area into central Poland and it appears that there might even be the
possibility
in some cases of it being something like a secondary wave of people with the
same surnames coming from the same towns but 20 -30 years later, with the
first ones coming in the late 1770s and the others then coming in the very
early 1800s. That dual time period migration was occuring in the area from
Babiak to Dabie with quite a few coming from the Driesen area of
Brandenburg.

The Zyrardow area also had quite a bit of its settlers coming from
Brandenburg,
but there were also a goodly amount of second generation colonists coming
there who had earlier been in the Babiak, Kolo and Lodz areas.
There was a sizeable migration from Zyrardow to Volhynia so there would no
doubt be quite a few families in Volhynia who's families had earlier come
from or through Brandenburg.

Bob




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Howard Krushel" <krushelh at telus.net>
To: "BobF" <bfand at worldnet.att.net>
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] surname
SEL(L)INGERGer-Poland-VolhyniaDigest,


> Bob:
> Your description of the German pronunciation is very close to how I would
> expect a German speaker "say it"; although they might at times pronounce
> names slightly differently from how the name was written; I suppose it too
> could depend on the family origin and whether the accent was Low German,
> eastern European High German, Kaschubien,etc.
> Technically "Se" would be pronounced as "S eh " with the "eh" a short
burst
> of air, but perhaps that is the same as "Say" The "e" sound is a short
"eh"
> sound ; but then one has to take into consideration the fact that Eastern
> Europeans spoke with a heavy tongue, so the "E" sound would come out as
you
> have represented it; so I think I have come to agree fully with your
> description of your Grandmothers pronunciation; I am not really familiar
> with the Brandenburg accent but I believe the literature has references to
> this but just off hand I can't place my hands on some of these references;
> if my recollection is correct I believe those Brandenburgers known as the
> "Maerker" i. e. originating from the Neu Mark area, would pronounce
> Brandenburg as Branburg, etc. etc.
> You mentioned them coming from a specific area in Brandenburg; how were
you
> able to establish this link; via early church records? It is interesting
to
> me to see that you have been able to make the jump into Brandenburg; it
> seems that very few have. Do you suppose that the name of Neu Dresden
would
> suggest that the inhabitants were settlers from Dresden?
> Checking the Hofer map I see where Neu Dresden(Krepiny) was situated in
the
> Warte river valley; a place where lots of settlers were placed during
> Frederick-the- Great's reign and lots of these moved further eastward.
> Howard Krushel
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "BobF" <bfand at worldnet.att.net>
> To: <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
> Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 9:57 PM
> Subject: Fw: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] surname
> SEL(L)INGERGer-Poland-VolhyniaDigest,
>
>
> > There was a Selinger line that had moved into Plock in the early
> > 1800s that had earlier come from Neu Dresden, Osternberg, Brandenburg.
> > My gg grandmother was Karolina Selinger born 1851. Her family of
Selingers
> > were Baptists.
> > Having grown up being taught phonics, I tried pronouncing it as Sell in
> ger
> > when I first saw it written and was told they pronounced it with a long
A
> > sound
> > and a soft g . The way my grandmother pronounced it sounded  like  Say
> ling
> > ir.
> >
> > Bob