[Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Re: A trip - Bird Study in Poland

[Gilda J. Patterson]

Hello,

Sorry to have to write globally, but I cannot locate my email from this
ListServe List that was put out by a couple who were planning on a possible
trip to Poland to research birds in specific areas. I'm not sure if I can
commit to the trip, but I would love to remain in contact with these people
and find out what information they may find on their trip & if they are ever
going in the area of Plock, along the Vistula River near Maszewo,
Maszewo-Duze, and Rydzyno or Wyszogrod. My grandmother often spoke of her
love for the sounds of birds. I often wonder just how many beautiful song
birds existed in her childhood area of Maszewo, Kingdom of Poland, Russia. I
know they had peach trees & these would blossom so beautifully in the
Spring. Someday I would love to travel there & experience that area. Whoever
this couple is, please keep in touch with this ListServe List.

Many thanks,

Gilda Patterson
Calgary, Alberta, CANADA
Researching Names: PURAT/PORAT, SCHMELTZER/SCHMELZER, RAMINOW/RAMIN;
HABERKORN, LESCHWITZ, AST, NASS, POLNAU, FENSKE, KELBER, & GIESSER.
Researching Places: MASZEWO & MASZEWO-DUZE, RYDZYNO - PLOCK DISTRICT; RAMIN,
GERMANY.
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>    1. PLOCK RECORDS FHL1733677 MISSING YEAR 1886
>       (Michael & Maureen McHenry)
>    2. Re: Mager Family stories: Petrykiw, Ternopol area (richard benert)
>    3. Re: Mager Family stories: Petrykiw, Ternopol area (Ed S)
>    4. Off topic request for information (Lorne Bohn)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:51:43 -0500
> From: "Michael & Maureen McHenry" <maurmike at bellatlantic.net>
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] PLOCK RECORDS FHL1733677 MISSING YEAR
> 1886
> To: <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
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> Is anyone familiar with this film? Items 1-3 is suppose to contain BMD
> for years 1885-1888. It appears that 1886 is missing. Anyone know if it
> exists elsewhere?
>
>                                  Mike
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:55:40 -0700
> From: "richard benert" <benovich at imt.net>
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Mager Family stories: Petrykiw,
> Ternopol area
> To: "Todd/Randi Bender" <bender.t at sasktel.net>, "German"
> <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
> Message-ID: <003301c50ef2$19f2e370$51e289d1 at richard01>
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> Randi,
>
> One can only guess at what your Nana may have meant by "Bolsheviks", but I
> think it is not uncommon for Bolsheviks to have become the bogeymen for
all
> sorts of traumatic experiences in the memories of our ancestors.  Unless I
> am ignorant of what some isolated bands of Bolsheviks were up to in the
> years before 1911, when your Nana emigrated, it just isn't likely that she
> hid in the closet to escape some marauding Bolsheviks.  The Bolsheviks
were
> moderately active in the Revolution of 1905, but mostly in St. Petersburg
> and Moscow.  They had maybe 8000 members in that year and they increased
to
> about 46,000 by 1907, but tsarist repression reduced their membership to
> about 1000 by 1910.  Not even Richard Pipes, a historian most given to
> pointing out the evils of Bolshevism, mentions any instances of the kind
of
> activity your Nana remembered.  I'd guess--and it's only a guess--that she
> may have been hiding from marauding bands of peasants who, in the
> revolutionary year of 1905, attacked wealthier farmers.  This COULD be the
> "other threat" of which you speak.  Maybe it was just a quarrel with some
> neighboring farmers!
>
> It's not hard to find out what was going on in Europe in these years.  Any
> good library should have dozens of books.  Or any good encyclopedia.  It
IS
> harder to find information on eastern Europe, but not impossible.  I just
> did a Google search on "revolution of 1905", and it immediately came up
with
> 467,000 hits!  I think, for many things, that "wikipedia.org" is a fairly
> reliable place to start.
>
> If your Kamienna Werba = Kremieniec, a little farther south from Dubno
than
> Werba, then the river they escaped on was the Ikwa.  I can say this on the
> authority of Jerry Frank's wonderful map.
>
> Dick Benert
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Todd/Randi Bender" <bender.t at sasktel.net>
> To: "German" <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 9:23 AM
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Mager Family stories: Petrykiw, Ternopol
area
>
>
> > Hi Nancy,
> > I am going to post my reply to the list in hopes that someone may have
> > more ideas.
> > The surname was MAGER.
> > I too noticed the time-line problem. I have had little luck pin-pointing
> > what was going on in Europe between 1906-1911. I know there were many
> > problems, but nothing specific for the Kamienna Werba area.
> > It may be that it was not the Bolsheviks but some other "threat". She
> > recalls leaving Volhynia under the cover of darkness, carrying what they
> > could when they crossed the border. Also a story of how they travelled,
> > hidden in a boat carrying cattle, under the hay. Was Kamienna near a
> > river?
> > I have yet to learn their departure point from Europe. I know they
arrived
> > at Quebec via Glasgow. I have not any luck beyond that.
> > I am going to go with the fact that although German, that Polish was
their
> > "native" tongue. I am still confused about "being forced to learn
German".
> > I agree with your idea that the family may have originally came from
> > Poland and then were re-germanized.
> > I have no reason to doubt too much of what Nana said as I have been able
> > to confirm most of her story. So although some details may seem odd, she
> > has been correct right down to exact dates for everything else. This is
> > where my question arises from.
> > Also have a RESKE (Riske, Riska) connection from Dowagiac, Mi > Manitoba
> > that I have yet to figure out, if anyone else is searching that surname.
> > Thanks for your input,
> > Randi Bender
> >
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:55:19 -0500
> From: "Ed S" <esonnenburg at porchlight.ca>
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Mager Family stories: Petrykiw,
> Ternopol area
> To: "VolhyniaList" <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>,
> "Todd/Randi Bender" <bender.t at sasktel.net>
> Message-ID: <002901c50ef2$0e8e2bc0$9d22bb40 at ibm300pl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> In German "Mager" means 'to be skinny" or just skinny
>
> Many Germans including mine went from the Petrikow area of East Prussia to
> Volhynia around 1865.  If I'm not mistaken Ternopol was in eastern
Volhynia
> and that
> is where your ancestors emigrated to.   My ancestors also escaped in 1931
> from Volhynia
> and lived in Poland "Warthegau" until 1947 where they got to Germany. My
> grandmother
> wrote a 200 page book telling about her experiences.  I translated the 11
> letters found
> in the book.   Pictures and family tree included.      In the 1930s and
> 1940s many children were born in occupied Germany among the Poles and like
> my mother
> could speak Polish better than German.  I would rather believe among the
GRs
> that they were forced
> to speak either Russian or Polish.  Even to this day in Canada I still
hear
> from relatives
> to speak German at home.  Preserving the German language is still strong
> among those
> that came from Europe.
>
> Researching  -   Binder/Bender,  Sonnenburg,  Ulmer, Karcher, Stephan,
Hill
> Villages    -      Ostrog,  Karlswalde,  Gruenthal
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Todd/Randi Bender" <bender.t at sasktel.net>
> To: "German" <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 11:23 AM
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Mager Family stories: Petrykiw, Ternopol
area
>
>
> > Hi Nancy,
> >  I am going to post my reply to the list in hopes that someone may have
> more
> > ideas.
> > The surname was MAGER.
> > I too noticed the time-line problem. I have had little luck pin-pointing
> > what was going on in Europe between 1906-1911. I know there were many
> > problems, but nothing specific for the Kamienna Werba area.
> > It may be that it was not the Bolsheviks but some other "threat". She
> > recalls leaving Volhynia under the cover of darkness, carrying what they
> > could when they crossed the border. Also a story of how they travelled,
> > hidden in a boat carrying cattle, under the hay. Was Kamienna near a
> river?
> > I have yet to learn their departure point from Europe. I know they
arrived
> > at Quebec via Glasgow. I have not any luck beyond that.
> > I am going to go with the fact that although German, that Polish was
their
> > "native" tongue. I am still confused about "being forced to learn
German".
> > I agree with your idea that the family may have originally came from
> Poland
> > and then were re-germanized.
> > I have no reason to doubt too much of what Nana said as I have been able
> to
> > confirm most of her story. So although some details may seem odd, she
has
> > been correct right down to exact dates for everything else. This is
where
> my
> > question arises from.
> > Also have a RESKE (Riske, Riska) connection from Dowagiac, Mi > Manitoba
> > that I have yet to figure out, if anyone else is searching that surname.
> > Thanks for your input,
> > Randi Bender
> >
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 21:21:46 -0800
> From: Lorne Bohn <lbohn at shaw.ca>
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Off topic request for information
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Cc: akalack at shaw.ca
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>
> Dear list members,
>
> I have a request on behalf of a friend which I hope someone on the list
may be
> able to help with.
>
> My friend saw a picture in a National Geographic Society magazine from
2002
> which has a picture of  a Russian firefighter in a helicopter owned by the
> Avialesookhrana helicopter and firefighting company that was operating in
the
> Krasnoyarsk area of Russia.  One of the firefighters in the picture looks
very
> much like a relative.
>
> Contact with the National Geographic Society people has revealed phone
numbers
> and e-mail addresses of the Avialesookhrana Company which appear to no
longer
> be in operation.
>
> My friend would greatly appreciate any informtion (and current) contact
> information to find out any information about employees of this helicopter
> company in order to locate information about her lost relative.  Any
> information about how to contact individuals or organizations in Russia
who
> may be able to be of help would also be appreciated.
>
> Please contact Freda Kalack at:  akalack at shaw.ca
>
> Thank you.  Best regards,
>
> Lorne Bohn
> (Canada)
>
>
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