[Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Powiat maps of Russian Poland

[Peter Fischer]

Dick,

Thanks for your message.  I agree with you wholeheartedly.  I have no
hesitancy referring to Germans as Germans.  For the record I was born there.

I am just interested in historical accuracy.

I think you misunderstood me.  My original message was referring to the
Southeastern part of Poland that was partitioned regularly.  Secondly, many
people that post ancestral information simply put Germany or Poland, etc. down
as a birthplace.  It would be the same as stating North America for any of us
over on this side of the pond.

I guess its just a pet peeve of mine.  No matter, I finally developed a
timeline for the region I have been researching and I will update my records
accordingly.

Regards,

Peter Fischer
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Richard Benert<mailto:benovich at montanadsl.net>
  To: Peter Fischer<mailto:westphalia-ranch at msn.com> ;
ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org<mailto:ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sgge
e.org> ; Jerry Frank<mailto:franklyspeaking at shaw.ca>
  Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 11:40 AM
  Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Powiat maps of Russian Poland


  Peter wrote:

   Also, I understand that Germany didn't exist until 1871 and any reference
to
  > it prior to that time is incorrect.  Whereas, it should be listed as
Prussia.


  Peter,

  Jerry correctly points out that Prussia was only a part of "Germany" before
  1871.  But I would like to relieve you of any hesitancy you may have
developed
  to avoid speaking of the German lands before 1870 as "Germany".  Of course
there
  was no POLITICAL entity called "Germany" before that date, but people had
for
  centuries been referring to the area as Germany, Germania, Deutschland,
  Allemagne, etc (pick your language) without batting an eye.  Somehow the
  incorrectness of referring to a political Germany before 1870 has expanded
into
  a blanket taboo against referring to the AREA as "Germany".  But if folks
in
  1700 could do it, why can't we?  We only have to be careful how we use the
term.
  It would not be wrong, for example, for Jerry to say his Hemminger
ancestors
  came from Germany.  It just wouldn't be nearly as accurate or as helpful as
  saying they were from The Kingdom of Wuerttemburg.

  At least that's how I see it!

  Dick Benert
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Peter Fischer"
<westphalia-ranch at msn.com<mailto:westphalia-ranch at msn.com>>
  To:
<ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org<mailto:ger-poland-volhynia at eclipsesgge
e.org>>; "Jerry Frank"
  <franklyspeaking at shaw.ca<mailto:franklyspeaking at shaw.ca>>
  Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 9:47 AM
  Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Powiat maps of Russian Poland


  > Thanks Jerry,
  > As always your information is very valuable.  The maps are terrific.
  >
  > For some time I have been working on a country/government timeline on the
  > Kalisch-Turek-Konin-Wladyslowow-Kolo-etc. region by studying maps in an
effort
  > to have my ancestors' records historically correct.
  >
  > Reading various on-line information of people's ancestors, people
invariably
  > interchange Germany, Prussia, Posen, Poznan, Poland, Russia, and so on.
Which
  > makes it somewhat confusing to say the least, and historically incorrect.
  >
  > I was wondering if my conclusions are correct, or if they can be further
  > clarified.  What I have for this region is as follows:
  >
  > 1688 to 1793 - Poland
  > 1793 to 1806 - South Prussia
  > 1807 to 1919 - Russia-Poland
  > 1919 to 1939 - Poland
  > 1939 to 1945 - Germany
  > 1945 to present - Poland
  >
  > Also, I understand that Germany didn't exist until 1871 and any reference
to
  > it prior to that time is incorrect.  Whereas, it should be listed as
Prussia.
  >
  > Any input or corrections from you, or from anyone on this List, would be
  > greatly appreciated.  Thank you.
  >
  > Regards,
  >
  > Peter Fischer
  >   ----- Original Message -----
  >   From: Jerry
Frank<mailto:franklyspeaking at shaw.ca<mailto:franklyspeaking at shaw.ca>>
  >   To:
  >
ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org<mailto:ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sgge
<mailto:ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org<mailto:ger-poland-volhynia at ecli
pse.sgge>
  > e.org>
  >   Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 10:17 PM
  >   Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Powiat maps of Russian Poland
  >
  >
  >   Sometimes it helps our genealogical research to know the civil
boundaries
  >   of smaller administrative districts in Russian Poland.  This website:
  >
  >
http://www.pgsa.org/PowiatMapList.pdf<http://www.pgsa.org/PowiatMapList.pdf<h
ttp://www.pgsa.org/PowiatMapList.pdf<http://www.pgsa.org/PowiatMapList.pdf>
  > >
  >
  >   will give you first an overview map of the Gubernia (provinces) in
Russian
  >   Poland in 1907, also showing the smaller Powiat (municipalities) within
  >   them.  You can then click on the names of individual Powiats for
detailed
  >   maps of same.
  >
  >   These maps are not detailed enough to show all the villages but you can
at
  >   least get a very good idea of where the boundaries were.
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >   Jerry Frank - Calgary, Alberta
  >
FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca<mailto:FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca<mailto:FranklySpeaking
@shaw.ca<mailto:FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca>>
  >
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