[Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Re: Ger-Poland-Volhynia Digest, Vol 10, Issue 17

Thu Apr 8 18:28:05 PDT 2004

Hi,  My grandmother(adoptive) was Agusta Henke, born 1871 and marriedJulius
Dether, born 1878. Agusta lived in Prussia, now Poland. Any connection??

Elinor Dether Barnes  elinorb at infostations.com----- Original Message -----
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>    1. Re: Roll call  - Mueller,Manzei,Manthey,Mantei, Rook
>       (Delores Stevens)
>    2. On line map of Germany and other countries (Jerry Frank)
>    3. Re: Roll call  - Mueller,Manzei,Manthey,Mantei, Rook
>       (Margrit Weigel)
>    4. New Subcriber - Roll Call (Aaron Jabs)
>    5. Re: New Subcriber - Roll Call (Margrit Weigel)
>    6. Re: New Subcriber - Roll Call (Gary Warner)
>    7. Andrejevka, Zhitomir, Ukraine (L. Van VandeBruggen)
>    8. Fw: Kamenka (Evelyn EVK Palmer)
>    9. Roll call -
>       Buchholz,Doberstein,Messerschmidt,Liebert,Zielke,Seidler (W
Buchholz)
>   10. RE: Jabs and Boehm from Makowisko  was: New Subcriber - Roll
>       Call (Jutta Dennerlein)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 14:33:46 -0600
> From: Delores Stevens <deloresstevens at sasktel.net>
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Roll call  -
> Mueller,Manzei,Manthey,Mantei, Rook
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Message-ID: <004901c41116$23dc7660$e2ada58e at Delores>
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> Sorry to let you know that the W may sound like a V in german, but my
german
> relatives have only ever pronounced Wruck with a W and I am referring to
the
> ones that came from Volhynia.
>
> Delores
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jerry Frank" <FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca>
> To: "Delores Stevens" <deloresstevens at sasktel.net>; <>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 10:06 AM
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Roll call -
> Mueller,Manzei,Manthey,Mantei, Rook
>
>
> > It is certainly possible that it is a variant spelling but it would
sound
> a
> > little different.
> >
> > In English, the W would be silent but in German it would have a V sound
so
> > it would be pronounced Vruk.
> >
> >
> >
> > At 09:57 AM 23/03/2004 -0600, Delores Stevens wrote:
> > >With regards the Rukke/Rook name.  Is there a possibility that this
name
> > >could also be spelled Wruck.  I too have connections with this name and
> that
> > >of Mantei.  The individuals that my connection is with came from
Volhynia
> in
> > >about 1896-1900, and may only have been in Volhynia for about 35 years.
> Not
> > >a long time.
> > >
> > >Delores Stevens
> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Jerry Frank" <FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca>
> > >To: "Michael & Maureen McHenry" <maurmike at bellatlantic.net>;
> "'LMPauling'"
> > ><lmpauling at utech.net>; <Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 9:41 AM
> > >Subject: RE: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Roll call - Mueller,
> > >Manzei,Manthey,Mantei, Rook
> > >
> > >
> > > > Is there any reason to believe that they did not spend a generation
> (maybe
> > > > even less) in Volhynia?  If they were originally from Lipno and were
> only
> > > > in Volhynia for say, 10-15 years, they would still have the family
> > > > connections that would bring them to Connecticut.
> > > >
> > > > The ROOK surname has stymied me.  It appears nowhere in any of the
> SGGEE
> > > > databases for Russian Poland or Volhynia.  So I decided to browse
> through
> > > > the R listings in the St. Pete records to see if I could find
> something
> > > > with a similar pronunciation.  I found:
> > > >
> > > > Wilhelm Otto Rukke, born to Jacob Rukke and Christine MANTEI in
1881.
> > > >
> > > > Now their location of Hohenberg is not near Jalowice but I would bet
> you
> > > > dollars to donuts that Rook = Rukke and that this family also
probably
> has
> > > > roots in the Lipno region.
> > > >
> > > > None of this proves anything but does give credence to the
possibility
> > >that
> > > > your family was in Volhynia.
> >
> > Jerry Frank - Calgary, Alberta
> > FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca
> >
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 15:51:00 -0700
> From: Jerry Frank <FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca>
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] On line map of Germany and other
> countries
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
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>
> Really neat maps system on line that makes MapQuest look very old
fashioned.
>
> http://www.map24.com
>
> Click on the little British flag for English version.  Enter a town or
> street address of interest and watch it work.
>
> Once the map comes up, you can zoom in or out as if you are flying in a
> balloon without waiting for a new page.  The features, surrounding roads,
> rivers etc. all retain their relative positions as you go in or out.  Not
> only is it a virtual zoom but if you click the sides of the map or another
> nearby town, it slides over to centre that location.  It also has a
> "rocket" function that automatically zooms in and out.
>
> Unfortunately it appears to cover only the current European Market
> countries, not Poland or Ukraine at this time.
>
>
> Jerry Frank - Calgary, Alberta
> FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 00:11:43 +0100 (MET)
> From: "Margrit Weigel" <Margrit.Weigel at gmx.de>
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Roll call  -
> Mueller,Manzei,Manthey,Mantei, Rook
> To: Delores Stevens <deloresstevens at sasktel.net>
> Cc: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Message-ID: <19603.1080083503 at www17.gmx.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> I suppose that the name Rook was originally Ruck,
> because in Germans it sounds almost  like english Rook.
> There lived some families in Volhynia named Ruck or
> even Rock.  Of course, they could haved been named
> Wruck, as well, and got rid of the "difficult" W in front
> when they came to America.
>
> Margrit Weigel
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 23:33:28 +0000
> From: "Aaron Jabs" <aaronljabs at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] New Subcriber - Roll Call
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
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> Good day everyone,
>
> I have recently become a new subscriber and, thus far, much of the
> information I have read has been quite interesting. My family actually
hails
> from the Dobriner Land -- Kreis Lipno specifically. My father was born in
> the village of Lentzen (Wlecz) and most of his fathers side resided there
as
> well; on my grandmother's side (my father's mother) she was born in the
> village of Wolschebuden (Makowisko) along with most of her family. My
> grandmother actually just turned 94 this year and the stories that she has
> told me over the years have been fascinating --- I am still amazed on how
> well she can recall events and the lineage of her family (she has been an
> invaluable resource to me in researching our family).
>
> Nonetheless, I am quite interested in receiving any information on any
Jabs
> or Boehm (Bohm, Bem) families that have resided in this area and in its
> history in general. Thanks for any information you can pass along and I
look
> forward to making some contributions to the forum soon.
>
> Take care
>
> Aaron Jabs
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 00:48:12 +0100 (MET)
> From: "Margrit Weigel" <Margrit.Weigel at gmx.de>
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] New Subcriber - Roll Call
> To: "Aaron Jabs" <aaronljabs at hotmail.com>
> Cc: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Message-ID: <12872.1080085692 at www47.gmx.net>
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>
> Hi Aron,
>
> Here he is an interesting German web-site about the
> Dobriner Land {{http://www.dobriner-land.de/}}.
>
> Perhaps it can help you.
>
> Margrit Weigel
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 16:52:02 -0800
> From: Gary Warner <gary at warnerengineering.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] New Subcriber - Roll Call
> To: "Aaron Jabs" <aaronljabs at hotmail.com>,
> ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Message-ID:
> <6.0.0.22.2.20040323162314.02959098 at mail.warnerengineering.com>
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> Aaron,
>
> I did a very quick look at our Pedigree database to see if there were any
> Job or Jobs or Jab or Jabs who were married to any Boehm or Behm or Bem
> persons.  I found one such couple- Michael Boehm married to Anna Jobs.  No
> data on them per se, but they have a daughter Karoline Boehm, born in
about
> 1815.  She is married to Friedrich Roggenbach in Dobrzyn, Lipno, Bydgoszcz
> on 29 Jun 1846.
>
> Finding such a match is nice, but it is possible that I missed many other
> couples where the names were somewhat different than you indicated-
> different because either you or the other members of SGGEE did not have
the
> correct spelling of the surnames (names like Johb, for instance).  This
> search brings out the fact that it is exceedingly difficult to make
> connections of your data to that of others unless you try to match up your
> entire family line against the data from others, others like those members
> in SGGEE who have submitted their data to us.  In the case noted above,
the
> data is from the original records that Al Muth extracted from the Lipno
area.
>
> I hope I am not coming across as uppity in what I now wish to say.  Each
of
> you are more than welcome to just view this free mail list, but my
> invitation to Aaron, and anyone else out there who really wants to find
new
> data would very likely be much more successful if they actually join SGGEE
> and submit their pedigree data to us to include in our master database
that
> now contains nearly 250,000 names linked together as best we know
> how.   There are many people on this list who can vouch for the fact that
> SGGEE has linked them to living cousins that they did not know
> existed.  Many of these same people will also tell you that they have
> provided a few names for us to look at, and they have been surprised to
> receive in return several thousand names of their blood relatives.  I am
> NOT saying that all who join will have such successes, but there are many
> that have done so and are very happy with the results.
>
> Gary Warner
> SGGEE Pedigree database manager
>
>
> At 03:33 PM 3/23/2004, Aaron Jabs wrote:
> >Good day everyone,
> >
> >I have recently become a new subscriber and, thus far, much of the
> >information I have read has been quite interesting. My family actually
> >hails from the Dobriner Land -- Kreis Lipno specifically. My father was
> >born in the village of Lentzen (Wlecz) and most of his fathers side
> >resided there as well; on my grandmother's side (my father's mother) she
> >was born in the village of Wolschebuden (Makowisko) along with most of
her
> >family. My grandmother actually just turned 94 this year and the stories
> >that she has told me over the years have been fascinating --- I am still
> >amazed on how well she can recall events and the lineage of her family
> >(she has been an invaluable resource to me in researching our family).
> >
> >Nonetheless, I am quite interested in receiving any information on any
> >Jabs or Boehm (Bohm, Bem) families that have resided in this area and in
> >its history in general. Thanks for any information you can pass along and
> >I look forward to making some contributions to the forum soon.
> >
> >Take care
> >
> >Aaron Jabs
> >
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> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 15:37:42 -0800
> From: "L. Van VandeBruggen" <vandel03 at msn.com>
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Andrejevka, Zhitomir, Ukraine
> To: <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
> Message-ID: <BAY4-DAV48ewhCImQLd00020854 at hotmail.com>
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>
> Gentlemen:
> Andrejevka is a small village located about five miles from Zhitomir,
Ukraine.
> It is the birthplace of my mother's mother. Has anyone done any research
on
> this community?
>
> I am researching Riemer, Hinze/Hinz, Titz/Tietz, Henke, Schlese,
> Marquard/Markwart, Rasch, Uebel, Elwarigen, Lucht, all being from German
> colonies in Posen and Volhynia.
>
> L. Van de Bruggen
> Tracyton, WA
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 20:33:33 -0800
> From: Evelyn EVK Palmer <evkpalm at shaw.ca>
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Fw: Kamenka
> To: SGGEE <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
> Message-ID: <00ad01c41159$2ad0b920$a5ba5218 at va.shawcable.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Subject: Kamenka
>
>
> I am looking for information on the village Kamenka which is about 5 km
north of Zhitomir.
> After my grandparents--Samuel and Julianna (Schulz) Kittlitz married in
1882 they immigrated to this village from Alexandrow, Poland.
> Their first 4 children were born here--Eduard -28 May 1884,
> Amanda-16 Feb, 1886, Rudolph-7 Sept 1888 & Christian 14 Nov 1890 and
baptized at the Ev. Lutheran church in Zhitomir. This was written by
Julianna in a Book of Sermons. In May of 1894 they left and came to Canada.
> Does anyone know anything about this village--ie size, who lived there,
pictures, etc. Is there any way I could find out if they owned or rented
land there and if they rented--from whom? What was life like in this
village?
> Grateful for any idea or leads,
> Evelyn
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 23:34:24 -0600
> From: W Buchholz <wbuchholz at shaw.ca>
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Roll call -
> Buchholz,Doberstein,Messerschmidt,Liebert,Zielke,Seidler
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Message-ID: <002401c41161$aaeee7a0$1b414d18 at mj.shawcable.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> My grt grandfather Johann Buchholz was born July 24,1856 in Radom Poland
or
> the area known as Radom.
> He married Louise Messerschmidt their first born was Heinrich born
December
> 08;1882 in Zhitomir Volhynia Russia.
> Heinrich wrote in a North west Interlake Heritage book that he and his
> father worked in Russia as bushmen and that after the work dried up they
> rented a farm in Russia before they came to Canada
> Johann's younger Brother Martin Buchholz was born September 28,1867 in
> Trzemchodolna Russia .             He married Louise Liebert their first
> born was Karl born abt 1892 in Zhitomir Volhynia Russia.
> On Martin's death certificate it has his father as Gottfried Buchholz and
> his mothers name as Julianna Zilke or Zielke both of them were born in
> Poland \Russia.
> Martin and Louise's family went threw Ellis Island in 1907 and came to
> Winnipeg Canada the same year , their oldest daughter Anna Married in
> Winnipeg on January 21,1911 to a Martin Seidler.
>
> More information on Johann Buchholz's children According to the ship SS
> Pretoria passenger manifest Emilie Buchholz and her younger sister Wanda
> Buchholz and younger brother Adolph Johan Buchholz sailed from Hamburg
> Germany on November 04 ,1904 and arrived at New York USA at Ellis Island
on
> November 19 , 1904 .
> They had as their last residence as Now Wolynsk and as their final
> destination as Johan Buchholz Winnipeg Manitoba Canada
> Johann's first wife Louise Messeschmidt died in Russia abt 1893 then he
> married Maria Doberstein in Russia on July 02,1895 they came to Canada in
> abt 1902 and settled in Winnipeg and worked as carpenters until 1912 when
> they homesteaded near Moose Horn Mantoba Canada
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 11:47:53 +0100
> From: Jutta.Dennerlein at t-online.de (Jutta Dennerlein)
> Subject: RE: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Jabs and Boehm from Makowisko  was:
> New Subcriber - Roll Call
> To: <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
> Message-ID:
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>
> Aaron,
>
> it is very nice to hear that your grandmother was born in Makowisko!
> I hope that the old Lady is well and that you can enjoy many more of her
> stories.
>
> My grandfather's name was Jabs and therefore a big part of my researches
are
> concentrated on that name.
> My gg-grandparents were Michael Jabs and Eufrosine Schwentke. They married
> 1836 in Lipno and lived in Makowisko. I have seen the name Boehm mentioned
> as witness on many of the Jabs church records. It appeared so often, that
I
> thought they must have been cousins and always expected a Jabs/Boehm
> marriage about 1815. But I haven't found any so far.
> Since you are looking for both names, there obviously has been a later
> Jabs/Boehm marriage.
>
> Maybe we can find the 'missing link'.
>
> Greetings
> Jutta
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org
> [mailto:ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org]On Behalf Of Aaron
> Jabs
> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 12:33 AM
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] New Subcriber - Roll Call
>
>
> Good day everyone,
>
> I have recently become a new subscriber and, thus far, much of the
> information I have read has been quite interesting. My family actually
hails
> from the Dobriner Land -- Kreis Lipno specifically. My father was born in
> the village of Lentzen (Wlecz) and most of his fathers side resided there
as
> well; on my grandmother's side (my father's mother) she was born in the
> village of Wolschebuden (Makowisko) along with most of her family. My
> grandmother actually just turned 94 this year and the stories that she has
> told me over the years have been fascinating --- I am still amazed on how
> well she can recall events and the lineage of her family (she has been an
> invaluable resource to me in researching our family).
>
> Nonetheless, I am quite interested in receiving any information on any
Jabs
> or Boehm (Bohm, Bem) families that have resided in this area and in its
> history in general. Thanks for any information you can pass along and I
look
> forward to making some contributions to the forum soon.
>
> Take care
>
> Aaron Jabs
>
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