[Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Re: Ger-Poland-Volhynia digest, Vol 1 #448 - 13 msgs
Dottie McComb
DMcComb at cox.net
Sat May 10 14:07:39 PDT 2003
How can I get a subscription to the Wandering Volhynians Magazine? I have
been researching my grandparents, name is Henschel. Although there are
many, they are hard to find. Thank You for any info you can give me. Dottie
McComb
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> 1. Re: Musings about population demographics
> in Volhynia (Otto)
> 2. Re: Musings about population demographics
> in Volhynia ( Richard Benert)
> 3. Re: Musings about population demographics
> in Volhynia ( Richard Benert)
> 4. Re: Musings about population demographics
> in Volhynia (Nelson)
> 5. PLOCK INDEX - Don Kronenberger (George Robinson)
> 6. Musings about population demographics in
> Volhynia (Karl Lenz)
> 7. Re: Ger-Poland-Volhynia digest, Vol 1 #447 - 9 msgs
(Carolpauly at aol.com)
> 8. Itinerary of Pastor Alexander Scheiermann (gpvjem)
>
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>
> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 15:19:17 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Musings about population demographics
> in Volhynia
> From: Otto <otto at schienke.com>
> To: Jerry Frank <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
>
> Jerry,
> rainy day here . . .
>
> The following may be helpful in your quest-
>
> We owe respect to the living; to the dead we owe only truth
> ----Voltaire. Eouvres Vol. I, p. 15n
>
> by -R.J. Rummel
> http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/rummel/sod.chap12.htm
>
> http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/rummel/sod.chap7.htm
>
> http://www.telusplanet.net/public/mtoll/bc.htm
>
> (a mega-site)
> .. Vital Statistics Search. Esquimalt Municial Archives; North ... of
> Germans From Volhynia
> and Congress ... Educational Resources, Historical Associations,
> Historical Books ...
> ************************************
>
> -a 57 page. .pdf file- Keith A. Darden- his E-address is on the cover-
> . has been writing and lecturing on genealogical and Jewish historical
> topics for ... and
> is an instructor of mathematics and statistics at the ... Consider
> Volhynia ....
>
> search with "google.com" using the following string of words:
> filetype:pdf "keith a darden" literacy nationalism
> It will return a site where a pdf file can be downloaded-
>
> if not click below for HTML
>
>
> http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:Gme07Llpwt0C:www.fas.harvard.edu/
> ~postcomm/papers/2000-01/
> darden.pdf+filetype:pdf+%22keith+a+darden%22+literacy+nationalism&hl=en&
> ie=UTF-8
>
>
>
> ********************
> NARA
>
> http://www.archives.gov/research_room/alic/reference_desk/
> ethnic_heritage_links.html
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 7, 2003, at 09:59 AM, Jerry Frank wrote:
>
> > ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> .. Otto
>
> " The Zen moment..." wk. of April 20, 2003-
> ________________________________
> "Grasses die, roots remain . . . Old friends"
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 2
> From: " Richard Benert" <benovich at montanadsl.net>
> To: "Jerry Frank" <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Musings about population demographics
> in Volhynia
> Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 14:44:01 -0400
>
> There may be more in Sinner's work that applies to German population in
> Volhynia up to 1915 than I have found on brief searching and wrote about
in
> my long epistle awhile ago. But Sinner's emphasis is on the period after
> 1915, and on Russia as a whole. He doesn't have a lot to say about
Volhynia
> itself before 1915.
>
> Notice, in J. Otto Pohl's review of Sinner below, that the figure of
200,000
> deportees is given (for the whole southwest region). This is 50,000
higher
> than Sinner's own high estimate.
>
> Dick Benert
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Otto" <otto at schienke.com>
> To: "Jerry Frank" <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 12:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Musings about population demographics
in
> Volhynia
>
>
> > Jerry, perhaps some of these reviews. . . see URL
> > \very little out there-
> > The Open Wound: The Genocide of German Ethnic Minorities in Russia and
> > the Soviet Union, 1915-1949 and Beyond
> > Updated: 7-5-2002
> >
> > By Samuel D. Sinner, with forwards by Dr. Gerd Stricker and Eric J.
> > Schmaltz, Germans from Russia Heritage Collection, North Dakota State
> > University Libraries, Fargo, ND, 2000, 353 pages, softcover and
> > hardcover, English and German languages. Institute Room Germans from
> > Russia. (not available on interlibrary loan).
> >
> > Book available at the following Germans from Russia Heritage
> > Collection website:
> > http://www.lib.ndsu.nodak.edu/grhc/order/general/sinner.html
> >
> > Book review by J. Otto Pohl, Sacramento, California, author of the
> > book, Ethnic Cleansing in the USSR, 1937-1949
> > On Wednesday, May 7, 2003, at 09:59 AM, Jerry Frank wrote:
> >
> > ..Samuel Sinner's new book is a welcome addition to a growing body of
> > literature on the subject of genocide. Sinner describes the various
> > phases of the genocide perpetrated against the Russlanddeutschen and
> > calculates the resulting excess mortality from each of these phases.
> > The whole process of this genocide encompassed 34 years
> > (1915-1949) and three different rulers; Tsar Nicholas II, Lenin, and
> > Stalin. During World War I, Tsar Nicholas II deported close to 200,000
> > ethnic Germans from Volhynia, Bessarabia, and other western regions of
> > the Russian Empire to Siberia.. .
> >
> > http://www.lib.ndsu.nodak.edu/grhc/info/book_reviews/sinnerreview.html
> >
> > > Are there any readers who have experience with historical population
> > > demographics / statistics?
> > >
> >
> > . . . Otto
> > " The Zen moment..." wk. of April 20, 2003-
> > ________________________________
> > "Grasses die, roots remain . . . Old friends"
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ger-Poland-Volhynia mailing list, hosted by the:
> > Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org
> > Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv.html
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 3
> From: " Richard Benert" <benovich at montanadsl.net>
> To: "Jerry Frank" <jkfrank at shaw.ca>,
> <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Musings about population demographics
> in Volhynia
> Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 14:37:52 -0400
>
> Jerry,
>
> You raise a very interesting, and perplexing, question. I have little
> "experience" in these matters of demographics, but I can offer a few
figures
> from the few sources I have. I only wish to preface this by saying that I
> think we should be a bit dubious about all these figures, since they are
> usually connected to an argument of some kind.
>
> Let's start with the oft-repeated figure of 200,000. I'm not sure where
it
> started, but I notice that Adam Giesinger, "From Catherine to Kruschchev",
> after citing the 1897 Russian census figure of 171,331 Germans in
Volhynia,
> asserts that by 1914 that figure had reached 200,000 (p. 79). In his
> footnote on this, he merely states, "200,000 for 1914 is a reasonable
> estimate." No other basis for this is given.
>
> Now let's look backwards a little, with the help of Dietmar Neutatz, "Die
> 'deutsche Frage' im Schwarzmeergebiet und in Wolhynien" (1993). In 1890,
> the Governor-General of Kiev, Podolia and Kiev, Ignatiev, in his efforts
to
> illustrate the grave "danger" of continued German immigration into
Volhynia,
> proclaimed that the number of colonists there had risen from 87,000 in
1882
> to 200,924 in 1890. By contrast, the Governor of Volhynia (General von
> Wahl) reported a figure of 96,902 colonists in Volhynia in 1887, up from
> 89,113 in 1883. (von Wahl was trying to argue that the incoming Germans
> were NOT a threat to the Russian state, that the rate of increase was
going
> down). If von Wahl's figures are true, then it would have required a
> doubling of the colonist population in only 3 years to reach the 200,000
> figure of Ignatiev. Neutatz thinks this isn't likely, but he seems to
think
> von Wahl's estimate is too low, and that there was truly an increase in
the
> rate of German immigration in the later 1880s, due to the living
conditions
> of Germans in Russian Poland at that time compared to those in Volhynia
(he
> doesn't explain this). He seems to accept the Russian census figure of
> 171,331 Germans for 1897, and attributes the possible difference between
> 171,331 (1897) and 200,000 (1890) to the emigration that occurred during
the
> 1890s, and to the fact that not all the 200,000 counted by Ignatiev were
> Germans.
>
> Neutatz refers to an article published in Deutsche Erde, vol. IV, 1905, by
> Paul Langhans, "Die Deutschen in Russland nach Gouvernements. 1897", which
> must be a summary of that 1897 census for the whole of Russia by
Provinces.
> Finding that journal, Deutsche Erde, of course, is not easy.
>
> So Neutatz seems to agree with figures that place the number of Germans in
> Volhynia at about 89,000 in 1883 and 171,000 in 1897, but there is still
> possible room for doubt about some of what went on in between. At any
rate,
> Ignatiev's figure of 200,924 should probably not be taken to represent the
> number of Germans (alone) in Volhynia in 1890.
>
> Now, what about post-1900? Here the figures can vary widely.
> Governor-General Trepov came up with a figure of 127,000 Germans for his
> whole region (Kiev, Podolia and Volhynia) in 1909. (This included, for
> those interested, about 121,000 who had Russian citizenship, and 118,000
who
> owned their own land and 8,500 who rented) This is found in Neutatz, p.
> 156. If the German population had dropped by nearly 50,000 since 1897,
> this would make the 200,000 (in 1914)figure of Giesinger rather hard to
> accept. There is no reason to suppose that Trepow was playing down the
> number of Germans, because he was trying to show that the German "threat"
to
> the western provinces was very real. Some kind of drop in population by
> 1909 is very likely, since many Germans had left Volhynia by this time,
> either across the ocean or to Prussia or to the Baltic provinces. A drop
of
> 50,000 may seem a little extreme.
>
> When we come to the time of the deportation of 1915, the question of
German
> demographics is closely connected, it seems, to estimates about the number
> of Germans deported. All, or nearly all, were supposed to have been
> deported.
>
> On one side of the ledger, we have Friedrich Rink saying, in 1921, that
> there were still 180,000 Germans in Volhynia in July, 1915, all of whom
were
> to be immediately deported. (This is from Sam Sinner, "Der Genozid an
> Russlanddeutschen, p. 12). It should not be surprising to see Rink's high
> estimate for 1915, since this served his purpose of underscoring the
> enormity of the crime committed by the Russian government. Sinner's own
> estimate is somewhat more moderate. He suggests that somewhere between
> 100,000 and 150,000 ethnic Germans were deported from Volhynia, Kiev,
> Podolia and Chernigov. This allows for quite a variety of guesses as to
the
> population of Volhynia alone and the exact number who may have been
deported
> from Volhynia. (This is on p. 5 of "The Open Wound"). But even Sinner's
> open-mindedness isn't wide enough to allow him to agree with Ingeborg
> Fleischhauer, who has said that only 70,000 Germans were evacuated from
> Volhynia. (Fleischhauer is looked down upon as sort of "soft" on the
> Russian government by those whose goal is to argue for "genocide".) Yet,
> when you add the 10,000 from Kiev, 20,000 from Podolia, 11,500 from
> Chernigov which Fleischhauer speaks of, you get 111,500, which certainly
> falls into Sinner's own estimate of 100,000 to 150,000.
>
> It is true, of course, that not all Germans in Volhynia were deported, but
> certainly enough were deported to make these deportation figures (whether
> high or low) pretty reflective of actual population figures. I would hate
> to have my life depend on making an air-tight case for any particular
> figure, but it does seem as though the figure of 200,000 in 1914 may not
be
> such a "reasonable estimate" after all.
>
> OK, Jerry, these are my "musings". Sorry if I've droned on too long, but
it
> is, after all, a very complicated, and ultimately unknowable, topic.
>
> Dick Benert
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jerry Frank" <jkfrank at shaw.ca>
> To: <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 9:59 AM
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Musings about population demographics in
> Volhynia
>
>
> > Are there any readers who have experience with historical population
> > demographics / statistics?
> >
> > According to several sources (each in turn may in fact rely on one
single
> > original source), there were about 200,000 non-Jewish Germans living in
> > Volhynia in the year 1900. My current map represents about 1,300
Germanic
> > villages in Volhynia. That means an average of 154 Germans per
> > village. From historical maps we know that many of these villages only
> had
> > 5 or 10 homes in them so such an average population seems too high to
> > me. Certainly we may find more villages to add to the list but the
> numbers
> > won't be large. Even if we find 100 more villages, the average only
drops
> > to 143.
> >
> > Some other things we know:
> >
> > 1. There are about 72,000 line entries for Lutheran records covering
the
> > years 1835-1885. This includes all births, deaths, and marriages. It
> does
> > not include the minority population of German Baptists, Moravian
Brethern,
> > and Mennonites who would not be recorded in those records.
> >
> > 2. Of those line entries, there are about 22,700 Lutheran births and
9000
> > deaths recorded for the years 1880, 81, 82, 83 and 85. (the 1884 book
is
> > missing). If we extrapolate that up to the year 1900 at the same rate,
> the
> > population gain from 1881 to 1900 would be somewhere in the vicinity of
> > 55,000 not counting the impact of any in or out migration.
> >
> > 3. Thousands of Germans began to leave Volhynia for the Americas in
about
> > 1888 - most in the 1890s. At the same time there was still some inward
> > migration from East Prussia, the Baltic States, and the Lublin / Chelm
> region.
> >
> > So - is it possible to interpret this data to get us up to the claim of
> > 200,000 Germans in Volhynia by 1900? If so, how do we explain the small
> > village sizes? Were there large numbers of Germans living in the cities
> > that we are not aware of - perhaps of the Catholic faith? In almost 20
> > years of research in Volhynia, I think I have encountered only one query
> > about a Catholic German in Volhynia so that seems unlikely.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Jerry Frank - Calgary, Alberta
> > jkfrank at shaw.ca
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ger-Poland-Volhynia mailing list, hosted by the:
> > Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org
> > Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv.html
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 16:08:30 -0600
> From: Nelson <colnels at shaw.ca>
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Musings about population demographics
> in Volhynia
> To: Otto <otto at schienke.com>, Jerry Frank
> <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
>
> Has anybody ever pulled these figures together to give us a guestimate of
> how many people died under the communist terror in the USSR. Did the slave
> labor camps not begin before 1915?
> Nelson
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Otto" <otto at schienke.com>
> To: "Jerry Frank" <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 10:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Musings about population demographics
in
> Volhynia
>
>
> > Jerry, perhaps some of these reviews. . . see URL
> > \very little out there-
> > The Open Wound: The Genocide of German Ethnic Minorities in Russia and
> > the Soviet Union, 1915-1949 and Beyond
> > Updated: 7-5-2002
> >
> > By Samuel D. Sinner, with forwards by Dr. Gerd Stricker and Eric J.
> > Schmaltz, Germans from Russia Heritage Collection, North Dakota State
> > University Libraries, Fargo, ND, 2000, 353 pages, softcover and
> > hardcover, English and German languages. Institute Room Germans from
> > Russia. (not available on interlibrary loan).
> >
> > Book available at the following Germans from Russia Heritage
> > Collection website:
> > http://www.lib.ndsu.nodak.edu/grhc/order/general/sinner.html
> >
> > Book review by J. Otto Pohl, Sacramento, California, author of the
> > book, Ethnic Cleansing in the USSR, 1937-1949
> > On Wednesday, May 7, 2003, at 09:59 AM, Jerry Frank wrote:
> >
> > ..Samuel Sinner's new book is a welcome addition to a growing body of
> > literature on the subject of genocide. Sinner describes the various
> > phases of the genocide perpetrated against the Russlanddeutschen and
> > calculates the resulting excess mortality from each of these phases.
> > The whole process of this genocide encompassed 34 years
> > (1915-1949) and three different rulers; Tsar Nicholas II, Lenin, and
> > Stalin. During World War I, Tsar Nicholas II deported close to 200,000
> > ethnic Germans from Volhynia, Bessarabia, and other western regions of
> > the Russian Empire to Siberia.. .
> >
> > http://www.lib.ndsu.nodak.edu/grhc/info/book_reviews/sinnerreview.html
> >
> > > Are there any readers who have experience with historical population
> > > demographics / statistics?
> > >
> >
> > . . . Otto
> > " The Zen moment..." wk. of April 20, 2003-
> > ________________________________
> > "Grasses die, roots remain . . . Old friends"
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ger-Poland-Volhynia mailing list, hosted by the:
> > Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org
> > Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv.html
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 5
> From: "George Robinson" <gerobinson32 at hotmail.com>
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 17:33:20 -0400
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] PLOCK INDEX - Don Kronenberger
>
> Don, could you please check all of your index/notes for Plock for the
> MARTIN(MARTENS,MARTINS) surname. Thanks. George Robinson
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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> --__--__--
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 18:09:15 -0600
> From: Karl Lenz <k.j.lenz at sasktel.net>
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Musings about population demographics in
> Volhynia
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
>
> Hi Jerry,
>
> Ewald Wuschke translated a portion of the book entitled Die
> Evangelisch=Lutherischen Gemeinden in Russland9 published in St Petersburg
> in 1909 by the Lutheran Church in Russia. His translations are recorded
in
> some of the 1989 and 1990 volumes of the Wandering Volhynians Magazine.
> Reviewing the specific information for the affiliate Tutschin, it is
noted
> that the 1904 German population of the Affiliate was 12,739. The sizes of
> the colonies are almost always greater than 100 and some are close to
1000.
> A few are listed below:
>
> Amelin (493 souls), Antonieff (520), Antonowka (350), Berestowez (412),
> Dombrowa (200), Ljubormirka (543), Mizk (970), Trigubiza (98), etc.
>
> I noticed in some instances where the church has listed one colony, you
have
> more than one. For example, the church lists Berestowez and your map
> includes Berestowiec, Berestowiec Kol., Nowe Berestowiec and Futor
> Berestowiec (Maszcza).
>
> I would be interested in your comments on the population information
> contained within this Russian Lutheran Church document as translated and
> published in the Wandering Volhynians Magazine.
>
> Karl Lenz
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 7
> From: Carolpauly at aol.com
> Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 21:36:18 EDT
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Re: Ger-Poland-Volhynia digest, Vol 1
#447 - 9 msgs
>
> I have a problem that I have not seen addressed in this column and wonder
if
> anyone else has experienced the same thing and how do I correct it.
>
> When scanning the ships manifests on the Family Search site, am unable to
> find the first page. It always starts with the second and no matter
where I
> go I simply can't find the page with the names on it. Hopefully someone
can
> tell me how to correct this.
>
> Thanks for all your help.
>
> Carol
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 08:41:03 -0600
> From: gpvjem <gpvjem at sasktel.net>
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Itinerary of Pastor Alexander Scheiermann
>
> A week or two ago Jerry Frank posted to this Listserve, the Montana
schedule of visiting Pastor Scheiermann.
> Pastor Horst Gutsche has asked that the following schedule also be
posted to the SGGEE Listserve. This schedule is for the Wyoming, Washington
and Oregon.
>
> John Marsch
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> This is the Presentation Schedule for Pastor/Dean Alexander Scheiermann
> of the Middle Volga (Old German Volga) Region of the Evangelical Lutheran
> Church - European Russia. He is responsible for 11 congregations in the
> conference/circuit of which he is the head.
>
> The presentation, which includes slides, will be in German with
> simultaneous translation by Pastor Horst W. Gutsche who is accompanying
> Pastor Scheiermann on this trip. It should be noted that Pastor
> Scheiermann also speaks a bit of English which is getting better as the
> trip progresses. Of course he also speaks fluent Russian.
>
> Wyoming
>
> 1. Lovell - Friday, May 9th, 2003, at St. John Lutheran Church, 70 East
> 5th St., beginning with a pot luck meal at 12 noon, presentation at 1:00
> p.m.. Tel. 307 548 7127
>
> 2. Worden - Friday, May 9th, 2003, at Zion Evangelical Lutheran Church
> (please check the phone book for the address) The telephone number of the
> church is: 307 347 2293. beginning with a pot luck meal at 6:00 p.m.
> with the presentation at 7:00 p.m.. (note: There are Scheuermans from
> Yagodnaya Polyana who live in Worden.)
>
> 3. Thermopolis - Saturday, May 10th, 2003, at St. Paul Lutheran Church,
> 288 US Hwy 205 at 10:00 a.m. Tel. 307 864 2205.
>
> 4. Riverton - Sunday, May 11th, 2003, at Trinity Lutheran Church, 419 E.
> Park Ave., Tel. 307 856 9340. Please phone the church as information on
> the time of the presentation will be given by the church secretary. The
> presentation will be on Sunday morning.
>
> 5. Sheridan - Monday, May 12th, 2003, at Immanuel Lutheran Church, 1300
> W. 5th St., at 7:00 p.m.. Tel. 307 674 6434
>
> Eastern Washington
>
> 1. Colfax - Wednesday, May 14th, 2003, at Hillray (sp.?) Plaza at 12 noon
> (there will be a lunch and then a presentation). Tel. for more
> information: 509 657 3534
>
> Oregon
>
> 1. Portland - Thursday, May 15th, 2003, at Rivercrest Community Church,
> 3201 N.E. 148th, beginning with a pot luck meal at 12 noon with the
> presentation at 1:00 p.m..
>
> 2. Portland - Thursday, May 15th, 2003, at Zion Lutheran Church, 1015 SW
> 18th Ave. at 7:00 p.m.. Tel. 503 221 1343 - There is free parking at the
> kitty corner parking lot at SW 18th and Salmon from 6:00 p.m. to 10:00
> p.m..
>
> Western Washington
>
> 1. Seattle - Lynnwood - Saturday, May 17th, at Trinity Lutheran Church,
> 6215 - 196th St. SW - Pastor Scheiermann will be at a display booth re:
> the Evangelical Lutheran Church - European Russia at the synod
> convention. I believe that no presentation is scheduled but please
> contact the church re: details at 425 778 2159 or Pastor M. Funk-Pihl at
> 206 546 4153. Pastor Scheiermann will be available to speak to people
> personally regarding the work of the Lutheran Church in the old Volga
> German region as well as some other cities in his conference (ie. Tambov,
> Volsk, Belakovo).
>
> 2. Seattle - Shoreline - Sunday, May 18th, at First Lutheran Church of
> Richmond Beach, 18354 - 8th Ave. N.W.. Tel. 206 546 4153. Right now, it
> is planned to have a presentation from 10:00 a.m. - 10:45 a.m.. (between
> worship services at 8:30 a.m. and 11:00 a.m..) He will either be bringing
> a greeting during the two worship services or preaching in them. Please
> phone the church for more information.
>
>
> Right now we are staying at Mr. and Mrs. Howard Guenthner's home in
> Laurel, Montana.
> We will be staying here until this coming Friday morning when we drive to
> Lovell, Wyoming. The telephone number is: 406 628 6795. As Pastor
> Scheiermann is leaving on May 21st there may still be some other
> congregations where he will be speaking and I will post these later on.
>
> We have had a very fine response from the congregations. Yesterday
> evening there were 76 people who attended the presentation at Trinity
> Lutheran in Billings. Over 1/2 of the people present indicated a Volga
> German heritage.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Horst W. Gutsche
>
>
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