[Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Passenger List Interpretation

[Allyn Brosz]

I agree with Jerry Frank's interpretation of this entry. One additional
commentary on the given name, Natalie.  I think the scribe got lazy and
forgot the downstroke on the initial "N" of Natalie. Otherwise, it's very
like the formation of the "N" in the last entry on this page, which is
definitely "Nowak."

Allyn Brosz

> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 10:52:42 -0600
> From: Jerry Frank <jkfrank at shaw.ca>
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] ship manifest
> To: Gail Wilson <gwilson19 at compuserve.com>,
>   ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> 
> At 11:48 AM 05/05/2003 -0400, Gail Wilson wrote:
> >I am having trouble making out some handwriting and German words.  Can
> >anyone taken a look at the Ellis Island site and tell me what you make of
> >it.  Go to the Morse index for Ellis Island at
> >http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/EIDB/ellis.html
> >
> >and put in Michael Mund arriving in 1913.  The page that comes up is page
> >#244.  On page #243 Michael Mund is traveling with Wilhemine Mund.  I am
> >trying to figure out the nearest relative from when the alien came and it
> >lists grosse (??) Schmidt.  What is Schmidt's relationship to these people?
> 
> 
> I don't think there are any German words or that the word is grosse 
> (compare first letter to the G in other words on the page).
> 
> If you look at the format of all the other entries in that column, you find:
> 
> relationship - surname - given name
> town - county
> then, in some cases, relation to the people below
> 
> In that case, I read this line to be:
> 
> Broth. Schmidt, Gottl.
> Scharlatowe, Kalisch
> uncl.
> 
> So:  Gottlieb Schmidt, brother of Wilhelmine and uncle to the 2 children 
> traveling with her.
> 
> I know the first letter of Broth. doesn't look like a B and I couldn't find 
> anything else on the page to compare it to.  However I am quite certain 
> about the "roth" and the writer is not consistent with his script (for 
> example, see the M in Mund and Michael;  also is the older sibling really 
> Patalie or should it be Natalie? - compare to Natalka in line #3).  Since 
> the first word is always a relationship, Broth. is the only thing that 
> makes sense.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Jerry Frank - Calgary, Alberta
> jkfrank at shaw.ca 
> 
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 13:10:57 -0400
> From: Gail Wilson <GWilson19 at compuserve.com>
> To: "INTERNET:ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org"
>   <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Source on databases
> 
> What would the source be on the databases that is listed as  SGGEE001r3.  I
> am interested in Martin Fitz 13 Apr 1863.
> 
> Gail Wilson
> 
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> Message: 7
> From: "Ed" <esonnenburg at porchlight.ca>
> To: "Volhynia" <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] help with words
> Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 13:24:45 -0000
> 
> I heard that word "weg gerafft" by my GR parents and grandparents.
> 
> If typhoid went through a village and many people died it was said they were
> "hingerafft".  Decimated may be the proper word to use.
> 
> Ed
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Irene Kopetzke" <kopetzke at uni.de>
> To: <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
> Sent: May 5, 2003 10:52 AM
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] help with words
> 
> 
> > MARTHA JACOBS <msjacobs at flash.net> wrote:
> >
> > >   Also what is "rafte" in reference to many people being killed.
> > > I have searched every  possilble reference and can not even find
> >
> >
> > Martha,
> > the word has double f "raffte", from infinitive "raffen". There are
> > many meanings (eg: reap, gather, grab, amass) depending on the
> > context in which the word is used. In reference to someone being
> > killed (by disease) it means something like "snatch away", at least
> > that's what my dictionary says. My English is not good enough to
> > comment on whether this is the correct translation.
> >
> > Irene Kopetzke
> > kopetzke at uni.de
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> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 11:01:45 -0700
> From: Rose Ingram <roseingram at shaw.ca>
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Source on databases
> To: Gail Wilson <gwilson19 at compuserve.com>,
>   ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> 
> Gail, I will check the film source on this and send you the information.
> 
> Rose Ingram
> databases at sggee.org
> 
> 
> From: "Gail Wilson" Sent: 05 May, 2003 10:10 AM
> 
> > What would the source be on the databases that is listed as  SGGEE001r3.
> I
> > am interested in Martin Fitz 13 Apr 1863.
> >
> > Gail Wilson
> 
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