[Ger-Poland-Volhynia] RE: Ger-Poland-Volhynia Digest, Vol 1, Issue 481

Keith G. Trott keith.trott at shaw.ca
Sun Jun 29 16:20:53 PDT 2003 

I too would like to know more about the situation when leaving Volhynia at
that time.

My grandparents were Ludwig Fiedler and Hulda Holtz.  They left Volhynia in
1910 and my grandparents maintained that they "fled in great fear".  I
didn't understand why they were so fearful because, to the best of my
knowledge, it was not illegal to leave Russia at that time.  My grandfather
had been conscripted into the Tsarist army so I assumed that he was
deserting which certainly would have been punishable by death.

I only know that they fled from Mydsk, Volhynia and made their way to one of
the fishing villages on the peninsula east of Wladyslawowo. They left in a
fishing boat from either Chalupy, Kuznica, Jastarnia, Jurata or Hel and
landed in Liverpool, England.  From there, they sailed for Canada and landed
at Quebec city.  

I have found records that prove they were not Russian citizens so they must
have landed in Canada as refugees from Liverpool, England.  Their entrance
to England was by unusual means so there must be records confirming their
admittance and departure but I have not been able to find any such records
as yet.

Does anyone know the official procedure to legally cross the
Volhynian/Polish border at that time?

-----Original Message-----
From: ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org
[mailto:ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org] On Behalf Of
ger-poland-volhynia-request at eclipse.sggee.org
Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 1:00 PM
To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
Subject: Ger-Poland-Volhynia Digest, Vol 1, Issue 481


Send Ger-Poland-Volhynia mailing list submissions to
	ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org

To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
	http://eclipse.sggee.org/mailman/listinfo/ger-poland-volhynia
or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
	ger-poland-volhynia-request at eclipse.sggee.org

You can reach the person managing the list at
	ger-poland-volhynia-owner at eclipse.sggee.org

When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than
"Re: Contents of Ger-Poland-Volhynia digest..."


Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Spoofed address from virus;	Was Re:	Application (gpvjem)
   2. Re: Re:  Area around Novograd Volhynsk ( Richard Benert)


----------------------------------------------------------------------

Message: 1
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 14:54:14 -0600
From: gpvjem <gpvjem at sasktel.net>
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Spoofed address from virus;	Was Re:
	Application
To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
Message-ID: <003601c33db7$6f5cfb60$40584d18 at Marsh>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

    Ahh!!  That"s the application being referred to!   I recognized them as
trash immediately and deleted them.

John

------------------------------------------


  This posting is for administrative purposes.  If you have any comments 
  about it, please reply to me personally rather than to the list.

  Another virus is making the rounds using spoofed addresses and a zipped 
  file attachment.  I received 5 of them personally on Wednesday but none 
  since then, some spoofed with addresses that I know to be genealogically 
  connected.  This however is the first one I've encountered recently using 
  our mailing list address.  I do not know the name of or any details about 
  this particular virus.

  Please remember - our mailing list CANNOT and WILL NOT distribute any 
  attachments.  This protects against a virus being distributed through our 
  mailing list, even if a subscriber has become infected.

  If you receive a message claiming to be from the list that has an 
  attachment, you can be sure that it did not originate here but rather is 
  spoofed from someone who is infected by a virus.  Another way to help 
  identify a message that truly originates from our list is that the subject

  line will be headed by the [Ger-Poland-Volhynia]  phrase.  I can guarantee

  you that the message you responded to did not have that.

  If you attempted to open that attachment without adequate virus protection

  on your computer, it is possible that you are now infected.  You should
run 
  a full virus check as soon as possible with a checker that has been
updated 
  in the last couple of days.




  At 09:32 AM 28/06/2003 -0500, Royal Natzke wrote:
  >Ordinarly we can open zip files, but we weren't able to do that with this
  >one. Please send as regular and we should get it. Also make note that our
  >address is changed to: rdnatzke at execpc.com  Royal and Dorothy Natzke
  >----- Original Message -----
  >From: <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
  >To: <rnatzke at execpc.com>
  >Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 12:34 PM
  >Subject: Re: Application
  >
  >
  > > Please see the attached zip file for details.

  Jerry Frank - List Administrator for [Ger-Poland-Volhynia]
  GPVListAdmin at sggee.org
  http://www.sggee.org/listserv.html

  _______________________________________________
  Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by
  Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org
  Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv

------------------------------

Message: 2
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 22:13:16 -0400
From: " Richard Benert" <benovich at montanadsl.net>
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Re:  Area around Novograd Volhynsk
To: <GVLESS at aol.com>, <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
Message-ID: <001201c33de4$02971740$cdb0a6d8 at oemcomputer>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Good question, Virginia.  My father got out in 1911 with the aid of a Jewish
"smuggler".   He told the story only once, and at the time I wasn't into
writing things down, so I only remember the part about being told, when
almost at the border at night, to head for some lights in a farm house.  It
would be interesting to know how organized this "underground" was.  It must
have operated over the course of a good many years.  I, too, would be
delighted if anyone knows anything about this.

Dick Benert

----- Original Message -----
From: <GVLESS at aol.com>
To: <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2003 1:01 PM
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Re: Area around Novograd Volhynsk


> Looking for anyone who knows of a Jewish Underground movement that is 
> supposed to be operating at the turn of the century to enable anyone 
> who
wanted out
> of Volhynia, probably because of who they were but understand that
non-Jewish
> friends utilized this service as well.  I have a family story of my
husband's
> father, Friedrich Less, that I have no proof of yet.  It has been said
that he
> "escaped" out of Volhynia in 1903 and the only paper he had with him 
> was
his
> confirmation paper as confirming his identity. His brother "went out" 
> the
year
> before with wife & young child and their story is that they left 
> middle of night, met a farmer near the border to Poland, waited until 
> the guards met
and
> walked on.  One guard had been paid and would flick his cigarette when 
> all
was
> well telling the "escapees" it was okay to move across.  Then brother
Erdmann
> Less & family met another farmer on the Polish side, stayed there 
> until it
was
> safe to move on.  We feel that his brother, Freidrich, also left in 
> this
way a
> year later.   Of course, there probably was money paid and family story
says
> the two brothers earned money making barrels etc.so they could 
> eventually
go
> to America.  Erdmann was also on leave from his military duty so his
"escape"
> had to be because of that.  Now -
> The story I have heard is that the Jewish Underground existed around
Novograd
> Volhynsk.  My husband's father and brother lived not very many miles 
> from there in the village of Warwarowka which is not far from the 
> highway to
Novograd
> V.
> Okay - does anyone know of this Underground?  Sure would like to find 
> out more. Thanks.
> Virginia Less
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by
> Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org 
> Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv

------------------------------

_______________________________________________
Ger-Poland-Volhynia mailing list, hosted by the:
Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe  http://www.sggee.org Mailing
list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv.html


End of Ger-Poland-Volhynia Digest, Vol 1, Issue 481
***************************************************

More information about the Ger-Poland-Volhynia mailing list