[Ger-Poland-Volhynia] St. Petersburg archives - HARTFIEL, KALISCH (?)

[Howard Krushel]

In checking a copy of this record it lists the age as "1 year, 7 months" and
the place of birth as "Pybiza, (Gubr.=District) Kalisch". The interpretation
of the these records is often very difficult, but it would appear that
"Pybiza" is the way the recorder wrote the name of Gustav's place of birth.
Howard Krushel
krushelh at telus.net
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From: "gpvjem" <gpvjem at sasktel.net>
To: "Jerry Frank" <jkfrank at shaw.ca>; "Sandra Hartfiel" <tzolda at gmx.de>;
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Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] St. Petersburg archives - HARTFIEL,
KALISCH (?)


> Further to Jerry's remarks below;  I have examined the "work sheets" that
were used to record the translations from film 1897596 (P 868, Reg Nr 824)
for HARTFIEL, Gustav.  There is no doubt that the extractor meant to
indicate that Kalisch, Poland was the place Gustav was born or had come
from.  However, it appears that the age at death given as 1 year, might be
age 7 at death, the number is not clearly written on the work sheet.
>     Spelling variations of surnames occurs frequently in all church
records.  The pastor(s) wrote the name the way it sounded to them and in the
case of Volhynian records, often times the pastor received birth and death
information from outlying villages via written information from people who
had other versions of the name spellings.
>     So Jerry's advice is sound, check the films yourself to verify the
accuracy of the database.
>
> John Marsch
>
> ----------------------------------------------
>
>
>   At 06:55 PM 01/02/2003 +0100, Sandra Hartfiel wrote:
>   >I found some interesting news in the Volhynia List of Odessa Digital
Library
>   >about my ancestors, but I've got some questions:
>   >
>   >On this list I found
>   >
>   >HARTFIEL, Gustav +31.5.1882 in Zifeld
>   >
>   >as a remark was written "Age 1 year By Kalisch"
>   >
>   >Can anyone imagine what "By Kalisch" means? As "By" could be a wrong
>   >translation for "bei", "Kalisch" could be a location?But shouldn't be
>   >"Zifeld" the location of his death?
>
>   I have not looked at the original copy of the record (which you should
do)
>   but I think that you have an important clue here.  It probably means
that
>   Gustav was born in or near Kalisch.  Kalisch / Kalisz was a town and
>   Lutheran parish in Russian Poland, west of Lodz.  If Gustav was born
there
>   and died in Zifeld a year later, you also know that they migrated to
>   Volhynia during that year.  Of course this must be treated as a
reasonable
>   assumption until you can prove it with data from Kalisch.
>
>
>   >NOW... as mothers ot these children were in this list
>   >
>   >DALEG, Auguste
>   >DALCH, Auguste
>   >DAELG, Auguste
>   >
>   >It think, it was just a fault of spelling, or can this be a
coincidence?
>
>   Perhaps there is a spelling variation in the original records.  You need
to
>   look at the originals to determine this for yourself.
>
>   It is also possible that the extractor had trouble reading the original
>   handwriting.  This would account for variations in the on line
>   extractions.  Again, the only way to verify this is to look at the
originals.
>
>   Now that you have a place to search in Russian Poland, you can also
>   investigate those records to see if you can get a better idea of the
>   mother's surname.  With any luck, you will find a marriage record.
>
>   A list of available microfilms for Kalisch can be found on the SGGEE
>   website.  There are no extractions for this parish yet.
>
>
>
>   Jerry Frank - Calgary, Alberta
>   jkfrank at shaw.ca
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