From koehsel at web.de  Thu Nov  1 00:18:21 2001
From: koehsel at web.de (Eva und Andre Koehsel)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 09:18:21 +0100
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] TECH-BASED FAMILY HISTORY MEETING PLANNED
Message-ID: <005601c162af$4fc82480$141606d5@andrekoehsel>

Quote from the LDS daily newsletter:

TECH-BASED FAMILY HISTORY MEETING PLANNED
See http://www.byu.edu/news/releases/Oct/history.htm
 <a href="http://www.byu.edu/news/releases/Oct/history.htm">Link</a>

The Computer Science department at BYU will host a tech-based family
history colloquium on 8 Nov 2001. All who are interested in how family
history research technology can be improved are invited to attend.
Refreshments will be served and admission is free. A variety of research
issues are planned, ranging from digitizing historical documents to
understanding, extracting, indexing, integrating, organizing, and
delivering data contained in all kinds of historical source documents.

close quote


From roseingram at shaw.ca  Thu Nov  1 01:09:34 2001
From: roseingram at shaw.ca (Rose Ingram)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 01:09:34 -0800
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] TECH-BASED FAMILY HISTORY MEETING
  PLANNED
References: <005601c162af$4fc82480$141606d5@andrekoehsel>
Message-ID: <016501c162b7$ac7e9a80$4b5f5118@ok.shawcable.net>

Andre:

This sounds like it would be a most interesting and educational event.  If I lived closer I might think about attending.

Rose Ingram


From: "Eva und Andre Koehsel" Sent: 01 November, 2001 12:18 AM

> Quote from the LDS daily newsletter:
> 
> TECH-BASED FAMILY HISTORY MEETING PLANNED
> See http://www.byu.edu/news/releases/Oct/history.htm
>  <a href="http://www.byu.edu/news/releases/Oct/history.htm">Link</a>
> 
> The Computer Science department at BYU will host a tech-based family
> history colloquium on 8 Nov 2001. All who are interested in how family
> history research technology can be improved are invited to attend.
> Refreshments will be served and admission is free. A variety of research
> issues are planned, ranging from digitizing historical documents to
> understanding, extracting, indexing, integrating, organizing, and
> delivering data contained in all kinds of historical source documents.
> 
> close quote


From roseingram at shaw.ca  Thu Nov  1 01:05:40 2001
From: roseingram at shaw.ca (Rose Ingram)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 01:05:40 -0800
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] DRAGER family and responds to my
  surname list posting
References: <013b01c16114$21f79b40$961906d5@andrekoehsel>
Message-ID: <016401c162b7$ac19e540$4b5f5118@ok.shawcable.net>

Hello Andre:

I checked the Library Catalog for church records for Sensburg and notice that you do indeed face restriction difficulties in Germany because the original records are in Berlin or Germany, not in Poland.

Unless someone on the list has these films at their FHC, the only thought I have would be to attend or contact a FHC in Netherlands to determine if they can order in some films of these records for you, if that is practical for you.

Rose Ingram


From: Andre Koehsel" o: "Genealogie Emailliste SGGEE" <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
Sent: 29 October, 2001 11:22 PM

> Dear list-members,
> 
> everybody who responded to my surname list posted here yesterday should have
> received personal email from me today. If not or if anybody needs another
> format than GEDCOM 5.5 ANSEL Character set files please reply to me personally
> again.
> 
> Anybody else on this list who can help me out with DRAGER family from
> SENSBURG, OSTPREUSSEN, PREUSSEN area? Sensburg is today MWRAGOWO, Poland. I
> already wrote to the eccleciastical archive ARCHIWUM ARCHIDIECEZJI WARMINSKIEJ
> in OLSZTYN and checked LDS films available from Germany but no info so far.
> Would appreciate any info about other state or church archives that might have
> documents or other places to search.
> 
> Anybody in the "pay-per-research" area of the SGGEE network that can help out?
> Would not hesitate to pay you guys if I would know in advance that you have
> something to offer for my dollars, DM, Euro or whatever (Long live the
> freeware spirit!)
> 
> Take care everybody,
> 
> Andre
> Duisburg, Germany
> _______________________________________________


From sdkron at hotmail.com  Thu Nov  1 06:05:47 2001
From: sdkron at hotmail.com (Don Kronenberger)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 09:05:47 -0500
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Re: Ger-Poland-Volhynia digest, Vol 1 #22 - 9 msgs
Message-ID: <F220z5y1xMpEYMeDa1p00018fe7@hotmail.com>

>From: Aydodger at aol.com
>Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 15:20:34 EST
>To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
>Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] polish translators
>
>Could anyone suggest a resource for translations?  I have church records 
>that
>need to be transcribed and translated from Polish to English.
>
>Thanks!

I have used a woman named Adela Kuchinka in Indiana to translate the Polish 
Lutheran records.  Her email address is absadela at hotmail.com

Don Kronenberger
sdkron at hotmail.com


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From colnels at shaw.ca  Thu Nov  1 07:59:25 2001
From: colnels at shaw.ca (Nelson Itterman)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 08:59:25 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Re: Zahnbrecher
Message-ID: <3BE1715D.D89C72C@shaw.ca>

Hi Nathalie:

The only records in the Odessa  Digital Library are for Peter and Luisa
and son Peter, and another Peter and Elisabeth and son Peter in the
Beresan District in the Catholic Church Index.  The fathers came from
Weissenburg, Alsace or Elsass.
The Ages given for the fathers was 51 and 55 respectively. Elisabeth was
41, Luisa 37, and the boys 3 and 7.
Could the Catholic Church be able to give you any information?
Perhaps someone else may be able to add to this.
Nelson Itterman
Edmonton, Alberta


From jgambrel at mts.net  Thu Nov  1 18:25:39 2001
From: jgambrel at mts.net (Jim & Muriel Gambrel)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 20:25:39 -0600
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Fw: Zahnbrecher
Message-ID: <008f01c16345$aa30c260$6929cad1@jgambrel.mb.sympatico.ca>

Natalie
There are a few  "Zahnbrecher" listed in the Mormon site
www.familysearch.org
On the first page, click on "SEARCH"
On the next page type in the surname, and the names will come up. None
are
from Odessa, most from Pfalz, and one from Prussia

Muriel


From irmanator at shaw.ca  Thu Nov  1 22:02:19 2001
From: irmanator at shaw.ca (Irma Cooper)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 23:02:19 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] SCHULTZ
Message-ID: <000001c16363$eedda5e0$6401a8c0@ed.shawcable.net.ed.shawcabl
  e.net>

Hello Mattie
I have SCHULTZ in my family from the area very close to Gostynin.  My
SCHULTZ's
are from villages: Kurowo, Gulewo, Dziankow, Kanibrody, (Sokolec (sp??))
They are half
way between Gostynin and Chodecz.

My G.Grandfather  REINHOLT SCHULTZ Born 1885  -  married JOHANNA KRUGER
his father was SAMUEL SCHULTZ  date unknown - married WILHELMINE STANKE
Samuel's father was CHRISTOVER SCHULTZ  date unknown married MARIANE BLOCH

My mother and G'mother's records were Zbijewek, closer to Przedecz and
Chodecz

Also researching KRUGER, BERG, RUTKE, ROLLER from that area.

Irma Cooper


Dear Listers,
        My name is Mattie Mitchell and I know some of you from other lists.
I just wanted to post my interests and see if anyone recognized the names. I
am researching Schultz, Scho:ning, Weiss, Kasper, Myslak, Bo:hm, Kryger and
Scheler in the Gostynin, Poland area, on the Vistula near Plock.
Specifically these lines:
Jan Gotfryd Schultz (1781-1824) m. Marie Lowisa Bo:hm (1786, Bulge,
Pruss.-1857)

Joachim Christoph Schoning (1798, Breddin, Pruss-??) m. 1821 Karoline Myslak
(1803, Gabin, Gost. Poland-1831)

Jan Scheler (1797, Osiny, Dabie, Poland-1832) m. 1818 Anna Kristine Kryger
(1802, Gostynin-1846)

Jan Karl Kasper (1795-1835) m. Charlotte Dorota Weiss (1802, Sankt Johann,
Pruss-1859)

If you recognize any of these names, or could give me clues to these places,
or know anyone who has access to the records of these places, please reply.
Have fun researching, Mattie Mitchell mattie at capecod.net


From AlbertMuth at aol.com  Fri Nov  2 04:13:18 2001
From: AlbertMuth at aol.com (AlbertMuth at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 07:13:18 EST
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] SCHULTZ
Message-ID: <16e.34813b0.2913e7de@aol.com>

I believe the marriage of Samuel Schulz to Wilhelmine Stanke to be his second 
or even third marriage.  If you have other siblings of Reinhold, this might 
help to narrow the search a bit.

Gostynin records the birth of Samuel Schulz 9 June 1835 at Krzywie, son of 
Christoph Schulz aged 23 and Anna Maria Bloch aged 33.  (FHL film #0729305).  
I show a the first marriage for Samuel Schulz in Chodecz on 15 Jan 1854 to 
Juliane Neumann (whose mother also happens to be a Schulz).  I entered this 
marriage only a few months ago, and I have not swung back through the Chodecz 
records lately to pick up any births.  I have not transcribed the Gostynin 
birth records this late yet.

But when I get home this evening, I'll take a look at the Gostynin marriages 
that I have transcribed (through 1870) and the copies that I still have to 
process.

If the marriage does not turn up there, it is likely to have occurred in the 
unfilmed records of Chodecz, which must be still in the Bydgoszcz archives.  
LDS did not return there as often as elsewhere; it explains why the records 
of so many parishes end in 1865 (Chodecz, Przedecz, Lipno etc).  Given 100 
year privacy laws, this was as late as could be filmed at the time of filming.

al muth


From jkfrank at home.com  Fri Nov  2 07:01:03 2001
From: jkfrank at home.com (Jerry Frank)
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 08:01:03 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] SCHULTZ
In-Reply-To: <000001c16363$eedda5e0$6401a8c0@ed.shawcable.net.ed.shawcab
  l e.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011102075924.0242ed18@pop3.norton.antivirus>

At 11:02 PM 01/11/2001 -0700, Irma Cooper wrote:
>Hello Mattie
>I have SCHULTZ in my family from the area very close to Gostynin.  My
>SCHULTZ's
>are from villages: Kurowo, Gulewo, Dziankow, Kanibrody, (Sokolec (sp??))
>They are half
>way between Gostynin and Chodecz.
>
>My mother and G'mother's records were Zbijewek, closer to Przedecz and
>Chodecz


Hi Irma.  I like your @shaw name!  As my son said, that is so-o-o bad.

As you may know, I have created maps of the Germanic villages in Russian 
Poland and I try to keep track of new ones that come along.  Most of these 
new ones come from original church records or documents.  I will be adding 
a couple from your list.

There are a couple of Sokolec in Poland but not in this area.  I wonder if 
it could be Sokolow, about 8 km SE of Gulewo or 10 km SW of Gostynin?



Jerry Frank - Calgary, Alberta
jkfrank at home.com


From krushelh at cadvision.com  Fri Nov  2 11:18:56 2001
From: krushelh at cadvision.com (Howard Krushel)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 12:18:56 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] SCHULTZ
References: <16e.34813b0.2913e7de@aol.com>
Message-ID: <002301c163d3$397fa340$1d8494cf@howardkrushel>

In checking for the location of the post 1865 records for Chodesz I see that
they are now located in Wloclawek, which is a branch of the Torun Archive;
whereas  the Przedecz records are split between Wloclawek and Poznan, with
the post 1875 records being found in Poznan.
Howard Krushel
krushelh at cadvision.com

----- Original Message -----
From: <AlbertMuth at aol.com>
To: <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 5:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] SCHULTZ> If the marriage does not turn up
there, it is likely to have occurred in the
> unfilmed records of Chodecz, which must be still in the Bydgoszcz
archives.
> LDS did not return there as often as elsewhere; it explains why the
records
> of so many parishes end in 1865 (Chodecz, Przedecz, Lipno etc).  Given 100
> year privacy laws, this was as late as could be filmed at the time of
filming.
>
> al muth
> _______________________________________________
> Ger-Poland-Volhynia mailing list
> Ger-Poland-Volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> http://eclipse.sggee.org/mailman/listinfo/ger-poland-volhynia


From barbumac at telusplanet.net  Fri Nov  2 11:34:21 2001
From: barbumac at telusplanet.net (Barbara)
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 12:34:21 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] How to add information to a record
Message-ID: <3BE2F53C.74ECC7E0@telusplanet.net>

I have been looking up my ancestors on the
pixel.cs.vt.edu/library/stpete/volhynia/ site  and I have found an
incomplete record that I know is my ancestor.

Lilge, Auguste                  13 Aug. 1877 Heimthal
Ludwig              Funna, Karoline

1884071/1 636 90  Born in Majdan;  age 28 days

The above record belongs to the same people as the one following.

Lilge, Gustav                   26 Jul 1876 Heimtal Parish
Ludwig              Fennert, Karolina

1884069/2 784 68  2 months.Born at Majdan

There is a copy of the record of all the children born to Ludwig Lilge
and Karolina Fennert in the Alberta Provincial Archive.

Thanks for any help to complete the record.
Barbara


From wkharrisjr at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  2 12:20:41 2001
From: wkharrisjr at yahoo.com (Bill Harris)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 12:20:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] SCHWATKE in Borken
In-Reply-To: <200111022000.fA2K035x005427@eclipse.sggee.org>
Message-ID: <20011102202041.20618.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com>

My ancestor August SCHWATKE is said to have come from the town of
Borken "near Danzig and near the Polish border" in 1795. The problem is
there are several towns that meet that criteria in West Prussia. Does
anyone have information on a SCHWATKE family from that region that
might help me narrow down the search?

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From roseingram at shaw.ca  Fri Nov  2 12:57:20 2001
From: roseingram at shaw.ca (Rose Ingram)
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 12:57:20 -0800
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] SCHULTZ
References: <16e.34813b0.2913e7de@aol.com>
  <002301c163d3$397fa340$1d8494cf@howardkrushel>
Message-ID: <029001c163e0$f7311e20$4b5f5118@ok.shawcable.net>

Howard:

Where did you get this information about the Post 1865 records for Chodecz being in Wloclawek?  Do you know if this has been filmed and noted in some hidden place that I have not found yet?  Does anyone know if the 'original' records post 1865 are still at the church in Chodecz?

What about the 'missing' 10 years in Przedecz, 1866-1875, (a copy of which really does exist in the church itself), Is a copy of these records also in Wloclawek.

Rose Ingram

> In checking for the location of the post 1865 records for Chodesz I see that
> they are now located in Wloclawek, which is a branch of the Torun Archive;
> whereas  the Przedecz records are split between Wloclawek and Poznan, with
> the post 1875 records being found in Poznan.
> Howard Krushel
> krushelh at cadvision.com
> 
>> From: <AlbertMuth at aol.com>

>> If the marriage does not turn up there, it is likely to have occurred in the
>  unfilmed records of Chodecz, which must be still in the Bydgoszcz
> archives. LDS did not return there as often as elsewhere; it explains why the
> records  of so many parishes end in 1865 (Chodecz, Przedecz, Lipno etc).  Given 100
> year privacy laws, this was as late as could be filmed at the time of filming.
> >
> > al muth


From benovich at montanadsl.net  Fri Nov  2 11:24:43 2001
From: benovich at montanadsl.net ( Richard Benert)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 14:24:43 -0500
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Fw: Zahnbrecher
Message-ID: <001301c163d4$4eedabe0$cab0a6d8@oemcomputer>

The name, "Zahnbrecher", is interesting.  Literally, it means
"toothbreaker".  Were there any dentists in this family long ago?
Unfortunately, the name isn't listed in my "Grosse Buch der Familien Namen.

Incidentally, if anyone is interested in having me look up a family name in
this book, let me know.  Don't be too hopeful, however.  Lots of names
aren't in it.  For those that are, the book gives hints about its derivation
and (possible?) meaning.

Dick
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim & Muriel Gambrel <jgambrel at mts.net>
To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
<ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
Date: Thursday, November 01, 2001 9:28 PM
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Fw: Zahnbrecher


>Natalie
>There are a few  "Zahnbrecher" listed in the Mormon site
>www.familysearch.org
>On the first page, click on "SEARCH"
>On the next page type in the surname, and the names will come up. None
>are
>from Odessa, most from Pfalz, and one from Prussia
>
>Muriel
>_______________________________________________
>Ger-Poland-Volhynia mailing list
>Ger-Poland-Volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
>http://eclipse.sggee.org/mailman/listinfo/ger-poland-volhynia


From dowd at mac.com  Fri Nov  2 13:25:51 2001
From: dowd at mac.com (Christine Dowd)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 16:25:51 -0500
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] MEDYN/MEDYNKT
Message-ID: <200111022123.fA2LNdF28471@mailout6.nyroc.rr.com>

Hello,

I am new to this list. My great great grandfather was Wilhelm MEDYN 
(sometimes written MEDYNKT). His son, Jan Medyn was an estate manager at 
Ciemianka, not far from Stawiski, Lomza, Poland.  Today there are no 
Medyns in all of Poland, and the family story is that Wilhelm was a 
Protestant German settler (the two generations that I can find in Poland 
are baptized Catholic). Can anyone give me insight into German settlement 
in old woj Lomza? Or on the name MEDYN/MEDYNKT? Is this name of German 
origin?

Thank you.
Christine Dowd


From jkfrank at home.com  Fri Nov  2 13:24:06 2001
From: jkfrank at home.com (Jerry Frank)
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 14:24:06 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] How to add information to a record
In-Reply-To: <3BE2F53C.74ECC7E0@telusplanet.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011102141345.0244ad60@pop3.norton.antivirus>

By combining your subject line with the info, I assume that the full 
question is, "How can I add the other children to the posting at Pixel?"

You cannot.  The Pixel listings are extractions of actual church records 
from Volhynia as submitted to the Lutheran Bishop's office in St. 
Petersburg.  As an extraction, it would be inappropriate to add any details 
that were not contained in the original records.  I suspect that the other 
children were not in these records because the family converted from 
Lutheran to Moravian Brethren.

However, you can include the complete family details in the databases at 
the SGGEE website if you are a member.  All it takes is to submit your 
pedigree and/or family group charts and they will be added.

If I have made an incorrect assumption, please clarify your question.




At 12:34 PM 02/11/2001 -0700, Barbara wrote:
>I have been looking up my ancestors on the
>pixel.cs.vt.edu/library/stpete/volhynia/ site  and I have found an
>incomplete record that I know is my ancestor.
>
>Lilge, Auguste                  13 Aug. 1877 Heimthal
>Ludwig              Funna, Karoline
>
>1884071/1 636 90  Born in Majdan;  age 28 days
>
>The above record belongs to the same people as the one following.
>
>Lilge, Gustav                   26 Jul 1876 Heimtal Parish
>Ludwig              Fennert, Karolina
>
>1884069/2 784 68  2 months.Born at Majdan
>
>There is a copy of the record of all the children born to Ludwig Lilge
>and Karolina Fennert in the Alberta Provincial Archive.
>
>Thanks for any help to complete the record.
>Barbara
>_______________________________________________
>Ger-Poland-Volhynia mailing list
>Ger-Poland-Volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
>http://eclipse.sggee.org/mailman/listinfo/ger-poland-volhynia

Jerry Frank - Calgary, Alberta
jkfrank at home.com


From textor at post8.tele.dk  Fri Nov  2 15:43:33 2001
From: textor at post8.tele.dk (Jan Textor)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 00:43:33 +0100
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] SCHULTZ
References: <16e.34813b0.2913e7de@aol.com> 
  <002301c163d3$397fa340$1d8494cf@howardkrushel>
  <029001c163e0$f7311e20$4b5f5118@ok.shawcable.net>
Message-ID: <004b01c163f8$48553ef0$02a829c3@dktecw056>

Hi Rose,

The 'missing' Przedecz records, 1866-1875, are not missing at all. For some
reason, they have just not been filmed by the LDS. They are being stored at
the archives in Wloclawek. I was there personally a year ago and got a copy
of a birth record from 1870.

Jan Textor

> Howard:
>
> Where did you get this information about the Post 1865 records for Chodecz
being in Wloclawek?  Do you know if this has been filmed and noted in some
hidden place that I have not found yet?  Does anyone know if the 'original'
records post 1865 are still at the church in Chodecz?
>
> What about the 'missing' 10 years in Przedecz, 1866-1875, (a copy of which
really does exist in the church itself), Is a copy of these records also in
Wloclawek.
>
> Rose Ingram
>
> > In checking for the location of the post 1865 records for Chodesz I see
that
> > they are now located in Wloclawek, which is a branch of the Torun
Archive;
> > whereas  the Przedecz records are split between Wloclawek and Poznan,
with
> > the post 1875 records being found in Poznan.
> > Howard Krushel
> > krushelh at cadvision.com
> >
> >> From: <AlbertMuth at aol.com>
>
> >> If the marriage does not turn up there, it is likely to have occurred
in the
> >  unfilmed records of Chodecz, which must be still in the Bydgoszcz
> > archives. LDS did not return there as often as elsewhere; it explains
why the
> > records  of so many parishes end in 1865 (Chodecz, Przedecz, Lipno etc).
Given 100
> > year privacy laws, this was as late as could be filmed at the time of
filming.
> > >
> > > al muth


From colnels at shaw.ca  Fri Nov  2 15:34:15 2001
From: colnels at shaw.ca (Nelson Itterman)
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 16:34:15 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Fw: Zahnbrecher
References: <001301c163d4$4eedabe0$cab0a6d8@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <3BE32D77.22DFE171@shaw.ca>

The name actually appears in the "Dictionary of German Names" by Hans Bahlow
in conjunction with it's origin:
ZAHN (freq) surname for a person with a conspicuous  tooth (or tooth gap): Simon
Zanlucke, (u with an umlaut) Bingen (1348). Cf. knight Burchard v. Bodman called
ZAN, Salem 1235. Older form also ZANDT (MHG zant): Stephan Czant, Iglau 1362.
Hensel Schartlzant (Scharte = nick), Prague 1408 like Wernher Schertelczan,
Brsl. 1281. Also Breitzahn (wide tooth), Scharfzahn, Weibezahn  (wobbly tooth),
Klapperzahn (chattering tooth.) UGer, also Zahnle (umlaut on the a), Zehnle,
Reisenzahn, (rip the tooth) name for a Dentist (UGer.   also
Zahnbrecher  'tooth breaker', Zahnleiter, See  Hausleiter, Leite:
MHG lite, 'mountain slope').

How's that for a description.
Nelson

Richard Benert wrote:

> The name, "Zahnbrecher", is interesting.  Literally, it means
> "toothbreaker".  Were there any dentists in this family long ago?
> Unfortunately, the name isn't listed in my "Grosse Buch der Familien Namen.
>
> Incidentally, if anyone is interested in having me look up a family name in
> this book, let me know.  Don't be too hopeful, however.  Lots of names
> aren't in it.  For those that are, the book gives hints about its derivation
> and (possible?) meaning.
>
> Dick
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim & Muriel Gambrel <jgambrel at mts.net>
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
> Date: Thursday, November 01, 2001 9:28 PM
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Fw: Zahnbrecher
>
> >Natalie
> >There are a few  "Zahnbrecher" listed in the Mormon site
> >www.familysearch.org
> >On the first page, click on "SEARCH"
> >On the next page type in the surname, and the names will come up. None
> >are
> >from Odessa, most from Pfalz, and one from Prussia
> >
> >Muriel
> >_______________________________________________
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From colnels at shaw.ca  Fri Nov  2 16:01:15 2001
From: colnels at shaw.ca (Nelson Itterman)
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 17:01:15 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] How to add information to a record
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011102141345.0244ad60@pop3.norton.antivirus>
Message-ID: <3BE333CA.478035CC@shaw.ca>

Perhaps there was an error made in the translation for the pixel record. To
verify, you should always go to the original film in the Family History Center.
The pixel does show Lydia born 28 March 1882. When were the other children
born?
Nelson

Jerry Frank wrote:

> By combining your subject line with the info, I assume that the full
> question is, "How can I add the other children to the posting at Pixel?"
>
> You cannot.  The Pixel listings are extractions of actual church records
> from Volhynia as submitted to the Lutheran Bishop's office in St.
> Petersburg.  As an extraction, it would be inappropriate to add any details
> that were not contained in the original records.  I suspect that the other
> children were not in these records because the family converted from
> Lutheran to Moravian Brethren.
>
> However, you can include the complete family details in the databases at
> the SGGEE website if you are a member.  All it takes is to submit your
> pedigree and/or family group charts and they will be added.
>
> If I have made an incorrect assumption, please clarify your question.
>
> At 12:34 PM 02/11/2001 -0700, Barbara wrote:
> >I have been looking up my ancestors on the
> >pixel.cs.vt.edu/library/stpete/volhynia/ site  and I have found an
> >incomplete record that I know is my ancestor.
> >
> >Lilge, Auguste                  13 Aug. 1877 Heimthal
> >Ludwig              Funna, Karoline
> >
> >1884071/1 636 90  Born in Majdan;  age 28 days
> >
> >The above record belongs to the same people as the one following.
> >
> >Lilge, Gustav                   26 Jul 1876 Heimtal Parish
> >Ludwig              Fennert, Karolina
> >
> >1884069/2 784 68  2 months.Born at Majdan
> >
> >There is a copy of the record of all the children born to Ludwig Lilge
> >and Karolina Fennert in the Alberta Provincial Archive.
> >
> >Thanks for any help to complete the record.
> >Barbara
> >_______________________________________________
> >Ger-Poland-Volhynia mailing list
> >Ger-Poland-Volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> >http://eclipse.sggee.org/mailman/listinfo/ger-poland-volhynia
>
> Jerry Frank - Calgary, Alberta
> jkfrank at home.com
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From colnels at shaw.ca  Fri Nov  2 16:24:11 2001
From: colnels at shaw.ca (Nelson Itterman)
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 17:24:11 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] How to add information to a record
References: <3BE2F53C.74ECC7E0@telusplanet.net>
Message-ID: <3BE3392B.C7836167@shaw.ca>

Looks  like perhaps I was giving good advice when  I said to always check
the original film to verify the record. The pixel shows Lydia Lilge born
28 March 1882.
It also shows Ernst Lielge born 13 January 1881 and Pauline Lielge born 17
October 1878. Spelling errors could have been made by the parish or in the
translation for the pixel. Could there be others?
Nelson Itterman
Edmonton

Barbara wrote:

> I have been looking up my ancestors on the
> pixel.cs.vt.edu/library/stpete/volhynia/ site  and I have found an
> incomplete record that I know is my ancestor.
>
> Lilge, Auguste                  13 Aug. 1877 Heimthal
> Ludwig              Funna, Karoline
>
> 1884071/1 636 90  Born in Majdan;  age 28 days
>
> The above record belongs to the same people as the one following.
>
> Lilge, Gustav                   26 Jul 1876 Heimtal Parish
> Ludwig              Fennert, Karolina
>
> 1884069/2 784 68  2 months.Born at Majdan
>
> There is a copy of the record of all the children born to Ludwig Lilge
> and Karolina Fennert in the Alberta Provincial Archive.
>
> Thanks for any help to complete the record.
> Barbara
> _______________________________________________
> Ger-Poland-Volhynia mailing list
> Ger-Poland-Volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> http://eclipse.sggee.org/mailman/listinfo/ger-poland-volhynia


From jkfrank at home.com  Fri Nov  2 16:49:05 2001
From: jkfrank at home.com (Jerry Frank)
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 17:49:05 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] MEDYN/MEDYNKT
In-Reply-To: <200111022123.fA2LNdF28471@mailout6.nyroc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011102172938.024455d8@pop3.norton.antivirus>

At 04:25 PM 02/11/2001 -0500, Christine Dowd wrote:

>I am new to this list. My great great grandfather was Wilhelm MEDYN
>(sometimes written MEDYNKT). His son, Jan Medyn was an estate manager at
>Ciemianka, not far from Stawiski, Lomza, Poland.  Today there are no
>Medyns in all of Poland, and the family story is that Wilhelm was a
>Protestant German settler (the two generations that I can find in Poland
>are baptized Catholic). Can anyone give me insight into German settlement
>in old woj Lomza? Or on the name MEDYN/MEDYNKT? Is this name of German
>origin?
>


Well Christine - there's not today a single person in Germany with that 
surname - at least not one that owns a 
phone.   http://www.teleauskunft.de    However, if you enter Medien (a 
sounds alike), you get too many responses for the system to handle.

There was a German Lutheran parish in Lomza but most of the Germanic 
villages were south of Zambrow.  If this family was Protestant (likely 
Lutheran), and living to the north of Stawski, then they wouldn't have had 
ready access to a Lutheran pastor and would have recorded their vitals at 
the Catholic Church.




Jerry Frank - Calgary, Alberta
jkfrank at home.com


From jmarsch at t2.net  Fri Nov  2 20:50:54 2001
From: jmarsch at t2.net (John Marsch)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 22:50:54 -0600
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] SGGEE Membership Renewal
Message-ID: <007301c16425$358d3a20$1a9eaed8@4504>

    Just a friendly reminder to all current members of SGGEE that renewal
time is fast creeping up.
Expiry date for memberships is 31 December, plus a 1 month grace period,
except of course for prepaid or already renewed memberships and those new
applications received during November and December 2001.
    The web site databases at <http://www.sggee.org>  are steadily
enlarging, particularly the Pedigree Database on the Members Only pages.
Winter is the most productive time for volunteers to contribute work to the
databases.  Keep a watch on the 2002 Convention News page for updates

John Marsch
SGGEE Memberships
email <membership at sggee.org>


From EKuemmerer at aol.com  Fri Nov  2 21:43:02 2001
From: EKuemmerer at aol.com (EKuemmerer at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 00:43:02 EST
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Greiffenberg Germany/Gryfow Slaski Poland Surname Hammer
Message-ID: <117.7137207.2914dde6@aol.com>

My Grandfather Gustav Hammer was born in Greiffenberg Germany, now Gryfow 
Slaski Poland in 1864. Other than his date of birth I know very little about 
his parents or siblings. 

I need help. Could someone please advise me on how to contact the local Roman 
Catholic Church In Gryfow Slaski? The FHC has some church records but not for 
the period that I am interested in, 1858-1870. 

Thank you, 

Ernie Kuemmerer


From rradke at telus.net  Sat Nov  3 06:43:47 2001
From: rradke at telus.net (Robert Radke)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 06:43:47 -0800
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] How to add information to a record
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20011102141345.0244ad60@pop3.norton.antivirus>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011102141345.0244ad60@pop3.norton.antivirus>
Message-ID: <01110306434700.01562@heptathlon>

On the subject of Moravian Brethren records:  

Owing to the fact that the Moravian Brethren were not granted "official" 
status in either Poland or Volhynia, the vital stats ot Moravians were 
recorded in the church records of churches that were officially recognized by 
the civil authorities (usually Lutheran).  Therefore, conversion from 
Lutheran to Moravian would not mean that the births would not be registered 
in the Lutheran records.

--Bob Radke, Vancouver.

On Friday 02 November 2001 13:24, you wrote:
> By combining your subject line with the info, I assume that the full
> question is, "How can I add the other children to the posting at Pixel?"
>
> You cannot.  The Pixel listings are extractions of actual church records
> from Volhynia as submitted to the Lutheran Bishop's office in St.
> Petersburg.  As an extraction, it would be inappropriate to add any details
> that were not contained in the original records.  I suspect that the other
> children were not in these records because the family converted from
> Lutheran to Moravian Brethren.
>
> However, you can include the complete family details in the databases at
> the SGGEE website if you are a member.  All it takes is to submit your
> pedigree and/or family group charts and they will be added.
>
> If I have made an incorrect assumption, please clarify your question.
>
> At 12:34 PM 02/11/2001 -0700, Barbara wrote:
> >I have been looking up my ancestors on the
> >pixel.cs.vt.edu/library/stpete/volhynia/ site  and I have found an
> >incomplete record that I know is my ancestor.
> >
> >Lilge, Auguste                  13 Aug. 1877 Heimthal
> >Ludwig              Funna, Karoline
> >
> >1884071/1 636 90  Born in Majdan;  age 28 days
> >
> >The above record belongs to the same people as the one following.
> >
> >Lilge, Gustav                   26 Jul 1876 Heimtal Parish
> >Ludwig              Fennert, Karolina
> >
> >1884069/2 784 68  2 months.Born at Majdan
> >
> >There is a copy of the record of all the children born to Ludwig Lilge
> >and Karolina Fennert in the Alberta Provincial Archive.
> >
> >Thanks for any help to complete the record.
> >Barbara
> >_______________________________________________
> >Ger-Poland-Volhynia mailing list
> >Ger-Poland-Volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> >http://eclipse.sggee.org/mailman/listinfo/ger-poland-volhynia
>
> Jerry Frank - Calgary, Alberta
> jkfrank at home.com
> _______________________________________________
> Ger-Poland-Volhynia mailing list
> Ger-Poland-Volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> http://eclipse.sggee.org/mailman/listinfo/ger-poland-volhynia


From mwforsyth at home.com  Sat Nov  3 17:26:54 2001
From: mwforsyth at home.com (Mylo  W.Forsyth)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 17:26:54 -0800
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Re: New  E Mail address
References: <200111012000.fA1K03RI029224@eclipse.sggee.org>
Message-ID: <001d01c164cf$c9c62b20$7d815118@forsyth.cg.shawcable.net>

                 TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN

            Please note I have a New E Mail address

            mwforsyth at shaw.ca

            Mylo W.Forsyth

----- Original Message -----
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To: <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 12:00 PM
Subject: Ger-Poland-Volhynia digest, Vol 1 #23 - 14 msgs


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> Today's Topics:
>
>    1. Ellis Island (Genealdhh at aol.com)
>    2. Gostynin region: Schultz, Schoning, etc (Mattie Mitchell)
>    3. Re: Gostynin region: Schultz, Schoning,
>        etc (Rose Ingram)
>    4. Re: Gostynin region: Schultz, Schoning,
>        etc (William Fife)
>    5. Bergermeister KISSER (Swede & Marilyn Severson)
>    6. TECH-BASED FAMILY HISTORY MEETING PLANNED (Eva und Andre Koehsel)
>    7. Re: TECH-BASED FAMILY HISTORY MEETING
>        PLANNED (Rose Ingram)
>    8. Re: DRAGER family and responds to my
>        surname list posting (Rose Ingram)
>    9. Re: Ger-Poland-Volhynia digest, Vol 1 #22 - 9 msgs (Don
Kronenberger)
>   10. Re: Zahnbrecher (Nelson Itterman)
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 1
> From: Genealdhh at aol.com
> Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 16:04:13 EST
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Ellis Island
>
> You don't mention the names of your immigrants but sometimes you have to
be
> very creative with the spelling of both first names and especially
surnames.
>
> Daryl Ann
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 2
> From: "Mattie Mitchell" <mattie at capecod.net>
> To: <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
> Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 18:09:04 -0500
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Gostynin region: Schultz, Schoning, etc
>
> Dear Listers,
>         My name is Mattie Mitchell and I know some of you from other
lists.
> I just wanted to post my interests and see if anyone recognized the names.
I
> am researching Schultz, Scho:ning, Weiss, Kasper, Myslak, Bo:hm, Kryger
and
> Scheler in the Gostynin, Poland area, on the Vistula near Plock.
> Specifically these lines:
> Jan Gotfryd Schultz (1781-1824) m. Marie Lowisa Bo:hm (1786, Bulge,
> Pruss.-1857)
>
> Joachim Christoph Schoning (1798, Breddin, Pruss-??) m. 1821 Karoline
Myslak
> (1803, Gabin, Gost. Poland-1831)
>
> Jan Scheler (1797, Osiny, Dabie, Poland-1832) m. 1818 Anna Kristine Kryger
> (1802, Gostynin-1846)
>
> Jan Karl Kasper (1795-1835) m. Charlotte Dorota Weiss (1802, Sankt Johann,
> Pruss-1859)
>
> If you recognize any of these names, or could give me clues to these
places,
> or know anyone who has access to the records of these places, please
reply.
> Have fun researching, Mattie Mitchell mattie at capecod.net
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 16:06:24 -0800
> From: Rose Ingram <roseingram at shaw.ca>
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Gostynin region: Schultz, Schoning,
>   etc
> To: Mattie Mitchell <mattie at capecod.net>,
>   ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
>
> Hi Mattie;
>
> I assume you are trying to pinpoint the locations in Prussia?
>
> Rose Ingram
>
> From: "Mattie Mitchell" Sent: 31 October, 2001 3:09 PM
> > Dear Listers,
> >         My name is Mattie Mitchell and I know some of you from other
lists.
> > I just wanted to post my interests and see if anyone recognized the
names. I
> > am researching Schultz, Scho:ning, Weiss, Kasper, Myslak, Bo:hm, Kryger
and
> > Scheler in the Gostynin, Poland area, on the Vistula near Plock.
> > Specifically these lines:
> > Jan Gotfryd Schultz (1781-1824) m. Marie Lowisa Bo:hm (1786, Bulge,
> > Pruss.-1857)
> >
> > Joachim Christoph Schoning (1798, Breddin, Pruss-??) m. 1821 Karoline
Myslak
> > (1803, Gabin, Gost. Poland-1831)
> >
> > Jan Scheler (1797, Osiny, Dabie, Poland-1832) m. 1818 Anna Kristine
Kryger
> > (1802, Gostynin-1846)
> >
> > Jan Karl Kasper (1795-1835) m. Charlotte Dorota Weiss (1802, Sankt
Johann,
> > Pruss-1859)
> >
> > If you recognize any of these names, or could give me clues to these
places,
> > or know anyone who has access to the records of these places, please
reply.
> > Have fun researching, Mattie Mitchell mattie at capecod.net
> > _______________________________________________
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 19:23:30 -0800
> From: William Fife <wmfife at telus.net>
> CC: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Gostynin region: Schultz, Schoning,
>   etc
>
> Hi Mattie,
>
> Are you a member of SGGEE?  I know that some of these names are in their
> database.  The database shows Jan Karl Kasper as having died January 27,
1836.
>
> Jan Scheler and Anna Kryger are also in the database.
>
> I think you will find most of the places you name, on Jerry Frank's map
German
> Settlements in Russian Poland, printed 2000.
>
> Bill
>
> Mattie Mitchell wrote:
>
> > Dear Listers,
> >         My name is Mattie Mitchell and I know some of you from other
lists.
> > I just wanted to post my interests and see if anyone recognized the
names. I
> > am researching Schultz, Scho:ning, Weiss, Kasper, Myslak, Bo:hm, Kryger
and
> > Scheler in the Gostynin, Poland area, on the Vistula near Plock.
> > Specifically these lines:
> > Jan Gotfryd Schultz (1781-1824) m. Marie Lowisa Bo:hm (1786, Bulge,
> > Pruss.-1857)
> >
> > Joachim Christoph Schoning (1798, Breddin, Pruss-??) m. 1821 Karoline
Myslak
> > (1803, Gabin, Gost. Poland-1831)
> >
> > Jan Scheler (1797, Osiny, Dabie, Poland-1832) m. 1818 Anna Kristine
Kryger
> > (1802, Gostynin-1846)
> >
> > Jan Karl Kasper (1795-1835) m. Charlotte Dorota Weiss (1802, Sankt
Johann,
> > Pruss-1859)
> >
> > If you recognize any of these names, or could give me clues to these
places,
> > or know anyone who has access to the records of these places, please
reply.
> > Have fun researching, Mattie Mitchell mattie at capecod.net
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ger-Poland-Volhynia mailing list
> > Ger-Poland-Volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> > http://eclipse.sggee.org/mailman/listinfo/ger-poland-volhynia
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 5
> From: "Swede & Marilyn Severson" <mseverson1 at qwest.net>
> To: "Jerry Frank" <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
> Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 21:26:46 -0600
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Bergermeister KISSER
>
> Hello all,
>
> Is there a list of, or information of, City Mayors in the Ukraine, W,
> Prussia, Volhynia region?  There was a Martin KISSER, bergermeister.  I
> believe he was in Zhitomyr, not certain.  In 1906, He heard the men were
to
> be sent in the military & their families to Siberia.
>
> He told his son, Julius & Natalia & their 2 sons, to get out of the
country.
> They escaped through Austria, under a load of hay, to America and to
> southern Manitoba.
>
> In the 1930's, Julius operated a flour mill in Tolstoi.
>
> Any possibility that we can find Martin Kisser, the city mayor??
>
> Thanks,
>
> Swede
>
> mseverson1 at qwest.net
>
> swede at gardener.com
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 6
> From: "Eva und Andre Koehsel" <koehsel at web.de>
> To: "PRUSSIA-ROOTS-Emaillist" <PRUSSIA-ROOTS-L at rootsweb.com>,
>   "Genealogie Emailliste SGGEE" <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
> Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 09:18:21 +0100
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] TECH-BASED FAMILY HISTORY MEETING PLANNED
>
> Quote from the LDS daily newsletter:
>
> TECH-BASED FAMILY HISTORY MEETING PLANNED
> See http://www.byu.edu/news/releases/Oct/history.htm
>  <a href="http://www.byu.edu/news/releases/Oct/history.htm">Link</a>
>
> The Computer Science department at BYU will host a tech-based family
> history colloquium on 8 Nov 2001. All who are interested in how family
> history research technology can be improved are invited to attend.
> Refreshments will be served and admission is free. A variety of research
> issues are planned, ranging from digitizing historical documents to
> understanding, extracting, indexing, integrating, organizing, and
> delivering data contained in all kinds of historical source documents.
>
> close quote
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 01:09:34 -0800
> From: Rose Ingram <roseingram at shaw.ca>
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] TECH-BASED FAMILY HISTORY MEETING
>   PLANNED
> To: Eva und Andre Koehsel <koehsel at web.de>, Genealogie Emailliste SGGEE
>   <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
>
> Andre:
>
> This sounds like it would be a most interesting and educational event.  If
I lived closer I might think about attending.
>
> Rose Ingram
>
>
> From: "Eva und Andre Koehsel" Sent: 01 November, 2001 12:18 AM
>
> > Quote from the LDS daily newsletter:
> >
> > TECH-BASED FAMILY HISTORY MEETING PLANNED
> > See http://www.byu.edu/news/releases/Oct/history.htm
> >  <a href="http://www.byu.edu/news/releases/Oct/history.htm">Link</a>
> >
> > The Computer Science department at BYU will host a tech-based family
> > history colloquium on 8 Nov 2001. All who are interested in how family
> > history research technology can be improved are invited to attend.
> > Refreshments will be served and admission is free. A variety of research
> > issues are planned, ranging from digitizing historical documents to
> > understanding, extracting, indexing, integrating, organizing, and
> > delivering data contained in all kinds of historical source documents.
> >
> > close quote
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 01:05:40 -0800
> From: Rose Ingram <roseingram at shaw.ca>
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] DRAGER family and responds to my
>   surname list posting
> To: Eva und Andre Koehsel <koehsel at web.de>, Genealogie Emailliste SGGEE
>   <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
>
> Hello Andre:
>
> I checked the Library Catalog for church records for Sensburg and notice
that you do indeed face restriction difficulties in Germany because the
original records are in Berlin or Germany, not in Poland.
>
> Unless someone on the list has these films at their FHC, the only thought
I have would be to attend or contact a FHC in Netherlands to determine if
they can order in some films of these records for you, if that is practical
for you.
>
> Rose Ingram
>
>
> From: Andre Koehsel" o: "Genealogie Emailliste SGGEE"
<ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
> Sent: 29 October, 2001 11:22 PM
>
> > Dear list-members,
> >
> > everybody who responded to my surname list posted here yesterday should
have
> > received personal email from me today. If not or if anybody needs
another
> > format than GEDCOM 5.5 ANSEL Character set files please reply to me
personally
> > again.
> >
> > Anybody else on this list who can help me out with DRAGER family from
> > SENSBURG, OSTPREUSSEN, PREUSSEN area? Sensburg is today MWRAGOWO,
Poland. I
> > already wrote to the eccleciastical archive ARCHIWUM ARCHIDIECEZJI
WARMINSKIEJ
> > in OLSZTYN and checked LDS films available from Germany but no info so
far.
> > Would appreciate any info about other state or church archives that
might have
> > documents or other places to search.
> >
> > Anybody in the "pay-per-research" area of the SGGEE network that can
help out?
> > Would not hesitate to pay you guys if I would know in advance that you
have
> > something to offer for my dollars, DM, Euro or whatever (Long live the
> > freeware spirit!)
> >
> > Take care everybody,
> >
> > Andre
> > Duisburg, Germany
> > _______________________________________________
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 9
> From: "Don Kronenberger" <sdkron at hotmail.com>
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 09:05:47 -0500
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Re: Ger-Poland-Volhynia digest, Vol 1 #22 -
9 msgs
>
> >From: Aydodger at aol.com
> >Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 15:20:34 EST
> >To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> >Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] polish translators
> >
> >Could anyone suggest a resource for translations?  I have church records
> >that
> >need to be transcribed and translated from Polish to English.
> >
> >Thanks!
>
> I have used a woman named Adela Kuchinka in Indiana to translate the
Polish
> Lutheran records.  Her email address is absadela at hotmail.com
>
> Don Kronenberger
> sdkron at hotmail.com
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 08:59:25 -0700
> From: Nelson Itterman <colnels at shaw.ca>
> To: "Nathalie.Richert" <Nathalie.Richert at wanadoo.fr>
> Cc: "'ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org'"
>   <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Re: Zahnbrecher
>
> Hi Nathalie:
>
> The only records in the Odessa  Digital Library are for Peter and Luisa
> and son Peter, and another Peter and Elisabeth and son Peter in the
> Beresan District in the Catholic Church Index.  The fathers came from
> Weissenburg, Alsace or Elsass.
> The Ages given for the fathers was 51 and 55 respectively. Elisabeth was
> 41, Luisa 37, and the boys 3 and 7.
> Could the Catholic Church be able to give you any information?
> Perhaps someone else may be able to add to this.
> Nelson Itterman
> Edmonton, Alberta
>
>
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> End of Ger-Poland-Volhynia Digest


From ArnoldChamove at Ynnovate.co.NZ  Sat Nov  3 18:44:14 2001
From: ArnoldChamove at Ynnovate.co.NZ (Arnold Chamove)
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 15:44:14 +1300
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] CHAIMOV from Balta to Oregon
In-Reply-To: <200111032000.fA3K02sk011629@eclipse.sggee.org>
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20011104154414.0069af04@pop.ihug.co.nz>

Samuel Chaimov (?Chaimoitsh, Chaimovitch, Chaimowitz) was the second son
of a merchant in Balta, Ukraine.  He joined an uncle (Saul?) who lived 
in Banks, Oregon, just West of Portland, OR.  He first appears in 
Portland in 1892 (age 20?)  After marrying Sophia Adler from Odessa, 
Russia, the two moved to Redding , CA where he had a sheet metal shop, 
and a son Philip in 1897.  Soon returning to Portland, OR., he worked as
a tinsmith, cornice maker, tinner, salesman, manufacturer's agent,  
manager of a Turkish bath, an automobile repairman making and repairing 
radiators, running a car repair shop, and restaurateur.  He had another 
son Arnold in 1902 and died in 1931. 



Arnold 
 
Arnold S Chamove  
888 Kahuterawa Road, R D 4 
Palmerston North 5321 
New Zealand 
Phone: +64 6 3555889 
FAX +64 6 3554515


From ArnoldChamove at Ynnovate.co.NZ  Sat Nov  3 18:44:07 2001
From: ArnoldChamove at Ynnovate.co.NZ (Arnold Chamove)
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 15:44:07 +1300
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] ADLER from Odesa to Oregon
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20011104154407.0069af04@pop.ihug.co.nz>

Issac Adler brought his wife Julia and children Joseph, Harry B., 
Sophia, and Rose (and George?) from Odessa, Russia to Portland, Oregon 
around 1888.  Julia died soon after, Joseph (tinner) married Flora Levy 
(kids Manny, Arnold, Dorothy), Harry (cornice maker) married Sadie 
Goldberg of Dallas, TX (sons Joyle & Phil), Rose (box trimmer) married 
Louis Rubenstein (daughters Julia Bardie & Delphine Levinson), and 
Sophia (milner) married Samuel Chaimov from Balta, Ukraine (sons Philip 
& Arnold).  Harry opened the Air Tight Stove Manufacturing Co. in 
Portland, Sophia and Rose worked at Praeger Bros, Issac and Joseph 
worked at H.I.Adlers. 



Arnold 
 
Arnold S Chamove  
888 Kahuterawa Road, R D 4 
Palmerston North 5321 
New Zealand 
Phone: +64 6 3555889 
FAX +64 6 3554515


From irmanator at shaw.ca  Sun Nov  4 09:11:17 2001
From: irmanator at shaw.ca (Irma Cooper)
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 10:11:17 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] VILLAGE -  SOKOLEC
Message-ID: <000201c16553$b7d89540$6401a8c0@ed.shawcable.net.ed.shawcabl
  e.net>

Hi Frank,
I wasn't aware that you created maps - Is it for your own personal use or
for selling or sharing?
When I first started out I had no idea where the villages were or how to
spell them.
My first trek was to www.expedia.com  - to the maps - topographical maps.
That gave me the first workable maps in the area I was researching. Some of
the villages I really wanted were not listed, as
the villages were too small to mention,  ei. Dziankowo. I ordered some
extremely detailed historic maps from http://www.genealogyunlimited.com and
lo and behold - their was my Mother's village.
Click of Historic maps Central and Eastern Europe for a sample. They are the
ME200 Series.
Dziankowo is on my maps only spelled without the 'o' at the end.
The village I struggle with - Sokolec (pronounced  Schahuletz)  is not on my
maps. This is the exact spelling taken from a birth record.  It is 1/2 KM
from the Kanibrody School therefore Sokolow is too far.

Regards
Irma Cooper - Edmonton, Alberta
irmanator :o))


As you may know, I have created maps of the Germanic villages in Russian
Poland and I try to keep track of new ones that come along.  Most of these
new ones come from original church records or documents.  I will be adding
a couple from your list.

There are a couple of Sokolec in Poland but not in this area.  I wonder if
it could be Sokolow, about 8 km SE of Gulewo or 10 km SW of Gostynin?


From irmanator at shaw.ca  Sun Nov  4 10:07:12 2001
From: irmanator at shaw.ca (Irma Cooper)
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 11:07:12 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] (no subject)
Message-ID: <000401c1655b$87aee560$6401a8c0@ed.shawcable.net.ed.shawcabl
  e.net>

Al
Reinholt has one brother that I know of - Wilhem or Wilhelm, or William
I may have a contact that could possibly add to that. I will contact her
later in the week.
Thank you for that wealth of information .


From: AlbertMuth at aol.com
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 07:13:18 EST
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] SCHULTZ
To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org

I believe the marriage of Samuel Schulz to Wilhelmine Stanke to be his
second
or even third marriage.  If you have other siblings of Reinhold, this might
help to narrow the search a bit.


From greliz at bigpond.com  Mon Nov  5 19:35:19 2001
From: greliz at bigpond.com (Gregory Kraus)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 14:35:19 +1100
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Zulka - Wloszczynski
Message-ID: <001001c16674$0fd150e0$80698690@signup>

Dear all,
I have joined your mailing list and hope that I may gain some help about some
of my husband's elusive family members.
I am searching for information about my husband's grandmother and her family.
Leonarda Valeria Zulka was born c1890 in Zakrezewo, Kreis Flatow, West Prussia
to Joseph and Marianna Zulka nee Wloszczynski. By 1917 she had married Cuno
Kraus an apparently well-known sculptor from Unlingen/Zweifalten,
Baden-W|rttemberg - his second wife. She had been a servant in his house in
Baden-W|rrtemberg prior to the marriage.
I would like to know more about her parents, siblings and perhaps why she
travelled so far from home for work.
Any assistance appreciated.


From greliz at bigpond.com  Mon Nov  5 19:43:21 2001
From: greliz at bigpond.com (Gregory Kraus)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 14:43:21 +1100
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Urban=2C_F=F6rster=2C_D=F6rner=2C_Herrmann?=
Message-ID: <003201c16675$8728f660$80698690@signup>

Dear all,
I am searching for descendants of the following families:
Urban, Fvrster, Dvrner and Herrmann who originated in 1840s and perhaps
earlier in Thommendorf, Kries Bunzlau and Friedersdorf, Kries Glatz. According
to my mother-in-law the Urbans were the equivalent of yeomen in the town and
an earlier ancestor had his own boats.
Any information, really appreciated.
Regards,
Elizabeth from Victoria, Australia


From gerhard.koenig at eds.com  Mon Nov  5 19:54:34 2001
From: gerhard.koenig at eds.com (Koenig, Gerhard)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 03:54:34 -0000 
Subject: AW: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Zulka - Wloszczynski
Message-ID: <358B930D5C31D4119BF30020AFFC14A9014CE084@es160299.ws.ru.de.
  eds.com>

Dear Gregory, 

you know the german webpage www.wolhynien.de ?
Kennst du die deutsche Webseite ... ?
There is an new mailing-forum with this adress :
http://www.mp2k-server.de/forum.php4?username=volhynia
Under the point "ins Forum eintragen" you can write your search names.

Regards from Germany
Gerhard

> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von:	Gregory Kraus [SMTP:greliz at bigpond.com]
> Gesendet am:	Dienstag, 6. November 2001 04:35
> An:	ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Betreff:	[Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Zulka - Wloszczynski
> 
> Dear all,
> I have joined your mailing list and hope that I may gain some help about
> some
> of my husband's elusive family members.
> I am searching for information about my husband's grandmother and her
> family.
> Leonarda Valeria Zulka was born c1890 in Zakrezewo, Kreis Flatow, West
> Prussia
> to Joseph and Marianna Zulka nee Wloszczynski. By 1917 she had married
> Cuno
> Kraus an apparently well-known sculptor from Unlingen/Zweifalten,
> Baden-W|rttemberg - his second wife. She had been a servant in his house
> in
> Baden-W|rrtemberg prior to the marriage.
> I would like to know more about her parents, siblings and perhaps why she
> travelled so far from home for work.
> Any assistance appreciated.
> _______________________________________________
> Ger-Poland-Volhynia mailing list
> Ger-Poland-Volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> http://eclipse.sggee.org/mailman/listinfo/ger-poland-volhynia


From jageike at nwinfo.net  Mon Nov  5 20:48:08 2001
From: jageike at nwinfo.net (James A. Geike)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 20:48:08 -0800
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Family names
Message-ID: <00a701c1667e$3c0d46a0$7a9ebbd8@jageike>

Hi ,
I am relatively new to this listserv, but I am researching the following
family names : Geike, Glaser, Menge any assistance would be gratefully
accepted.

Jim Geike


From colnels at shaw.ca  Tue Nov  6 06:56:32 2001
From: colnels at shaw.ca (Nelson)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 07:56:32 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Family Tree Maker Program
Message-ID: <001a01c166d3$3924cc10$a36b4118@Colleen>

Does anyone know if the program can be used on Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition or Windows Millennium Edition.
Nelson


From acec at shaw.ca  Tue Nov  6 08:28:18 2001
From: acec at shaw.ca (Bruce Adolph - Address Change)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 08:28:18 -0800
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Family Tree Maker Program & Windows XP
In-Reply-To: <001a01c166d3$3924cc10$a36b4118@Colleen>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011106082454.00ac2ec0@shawmail.vc.shawcable.ne
  t>

Nelson, I went to the FTM web site 
http://www.genealogy.com/help/ftm_curr.html and searched the knowledge base 
to find the answer below:





   Reference #

   010626-000049


   Product or Service

   Family Tree Maker (versions 7 and above)
     FTM: General



     Print Answer

     E-mail Answer


                                   What operating systems will Family Tree 
Maker run in?


                                   Question

                                   What operating systems will Family Tree 
Maker run in?


                                   Answer

                                   Family Tree Maker versions 7 - 8

                                   Family Tree Maker versions 7 - 8 are 
designed for and tested in Windows
                                   95/98. Those are the officially 
supported operating systems for Family Tree
                                   Maker.

                                   However, we know many customers with who 
successfully use Family Tree
                                   Maker in Windows Millennium Edition 
(ME), NT, and 2000.

                                   Family Tree Maker version 9

                                   Family Tree Maker version 9 has been 
designed for and tested in Windows
                                   95/98/ME. These are the officially 
supported operating systems for Family
                                   Tree Maker version 9.

                                   However, we know many customers with who 
successfully use Family Tree
                                   Maker in NT and 2000. In addition, 
Family Tree Maker version 9 has
                                   completed preliminary testing on a beta 
release of Windows XP.

At 07:56 AM 11/6/01 -0700, you wrote:
>Does anyone know if the program can be used on Microsoft Windows XP Home 
>Edition or Windows Millennium Edition.
>Nelson
>_______________________________________________
>Ger-Poland-Volhynia mailing list
>Ger-Poland-Volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
>http://eclipse.sggee.org/mailman/listinfo/ger-poland-volhynia


From ArnoldChamove at Ynnovate.co.NZ  Tue Nov  6 13:13:14 2001
From: ArnoldChamove at Ynnovate.co.NZ (Arnold Chamove)
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 10:13:14 +1300
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Adler Odesa to Oregon
In-Reply-To: <200111062000.fA6K03Gf023500@eclipse.sggee.org>
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20011107101314.006cb728@pop.ihug.co.nz>

Issac Adler brought his wife Julia and children Joseph, Harry B., Sophia,
and Rose (and George?) from Odessa, Russia to Portland, Oregon around 1888.
 Julia died soon after, Joseph (tinner) married Flora Levy (kids Manny,
Arnold, Dorothy), Harry (cornice maker) married Sadie Goldberg of Dallas,
TX (sons Joyle & Phil), Rose (box trimmer) married Louis Rubenstein
(daughters Julia Bardie & Delphine Levinson), and Sophia (milner) married
Samuel Chaimov from Balta, Ukraine (sons Philip & Arnold).  Harry opened
the Air Tight Stove Manufacturing Co. in Portland, Sophia and Rose worked
at Praeger Bros, Issac and Joseph worked at H.I.Adlers.  Any connections?

Arnold Chamove
Ynnovate at ihug.co.NZ


From koehsel at web.de  Wed Nov  7 01:17:29 2001
From: koehsel at web.de (koehsel at web.de)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 10:17:29 +0100
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] PAF vers FTM
Message-ID: <200111070917.fA79HTu23578@mailgate5.cinetic.de>

What are the advantages and disadvantages of Family Tree Maker and Personal Ancestral File in comparison? I only know PAF.

Thanks for your shor statements.

Andre
Duisburg, Germany
________________________________________________________________
Lotto online tippen! Egal zu welcher Zeit, egal von welchem Ort.
Mit dem WEB.DE Lottoservice. http://tippen2.web.de/?x=13


From gary at warnerengineering.com  Wed Nov  7 10:20:06 2001
From: gary at warnerengineering.com (Gary Warner)
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 10:20:06 -0800
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] PAF vers FTM
In-Reply-To: <200111070917.fA79HTu23578@mailgate5.cinetic.de>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20011107092159.01b859f8@pop3.norton.antivirus>

Andre,

I do not know Family Tree Maker, but one consideration is that PAF is free, 
and Family Tree Maker is not free.  If free matters, and you also want a 
good program (PAF is fine, but has its limitations), then another program 
that you should look at is Legacy.    In addition to the many good 
operating features of Legacy, a significant advantage of Legacy is that the 
original program, as well as regular updates do not require you to wait for 
the snail mail,  They are all downloadable for free from the site at 
http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Download.asp

You can upgrade from the free version of Legacy to the Deluxe version for 
$14.95US, but the free version is fully functional, and the Deluxe version 
is only necessary if you want the additional and very nice features noted 
at http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/DeluxeEdition.asp

I get no bonuses for promoting this program, but I really like the program 
and think that it is a very powerful program to manage both big and small 
family files.  I use it virtually daily to manage the 180,000 name pedigree 
database on the SGGEE website.  Several features are

1. You can set relationships so that you can see, on every screen, how any 
person that you select in your file is related to you.

2.  The program allows you to easily change surnames, and place names 
globally.  This is especially useful if you find after you have entered 
several hundred or several thousand names, that you discover that there are 
really several variations of the surname in different records, or if the 
spelling of a place name that you have been using, is really not the one 
that you would now like to use.  Change it in one place, and it is changed 
everywhere.

3.  The program still imports PAF 2.3.1 data.  Not even the current 
versions of PAF will do that.  If you have older PAF data that has not 
already been converted to a gedcom file, then this program will do that.

Legacy may not be for everyone, but I suggest that everyone should download 
it and then compare it to any other program that they are considering 
purchasing.

Gary Warner
SGGEE

  At 01:17 AM 11/7/2001 , koehsel at web.de wrote:
>What are the advantages and disadvantages of Family Tree Maker and 
>Personal Ancestral File in comparison? I only know PAF.
>
>Thanks for your shor statements.
>
>Andre
>Duisburg, Germany
>________________________________________________________________
>Lotto online tippen! Egal zu welcher Zeit, egal von welchem Ort.
>Mit dem WEB.DE Lottoservice. http://tippen2.web.de/?x=13
>_______________________________________________
>Ger-Poland-Volhynia mailing list
>Ger-Poland-Volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
>http://eclipse.sggee.org/mailman/listinfo/ger-poland-volhynia


From wmfife at telus.net  Wed Nov  7 11:14:19 2001
From: wmfife at telus.net (William Fife)
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 11:14:19 -0800
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] PAF vers FTM
References: <200111070917.fA79HTu23578@mailgate5.cinetic.de>
Message-ID: <3BE9880B.FC9384F6@telus.net>

Andre,

I have not used PAF but have tried a couple of other genealogy programs and use FTM as my main one.  Some of the others are
very good and have features that FTM does not have.  I found Legacy to be good and was thinking of switching to it.  The main
reason I still use FTM is it's ability to print a great selection of charts, which I find lacking in some of the other
programs.  With FTM I have printed out a chart of one of my familys, in full colour, different colours for different
generations, different colours for births, deaths, marriages etc. which makes the chart easy to read, and the chart is over 30
feet long.

I guess your choice depends on what features you use most and which program does the best job of that.

Bill Fife
Victoria BC, Canada

koehsel at web.de wrote:

> What are the advantages and disadvantages of Family Tree Maker and Personal Ancestral File in comparison? I only know PAF.
>
> Thanks for your shor statements.
>
> Andre
> Duisburg, Germany
> ________________________________________________________________
> Lotto online tippen! Egal zu welcher Zeit, egal von welchem Ort.
> Mit dem WEB.DE Lottoservice. http://tippen2.web.de/?x=13
> _______________________________________________
> Ger-Poland-Volhynia mailing list
> Ger-Poland-Volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> http://eclipse.sggee.org/mailman/listinfo/ger-poland-volhynia


From irmanator at shaw.ca  Wed Nov  7 19:11:16 2001
From: irmanator at shaw.ca (Irma Cooper)
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 20:11:16 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] BERG from Augustopol
Message-ID: <000c01c16803$085a22c0$6401a8c0@ed.shawcable.net.ed.shawcabl
  e.net>

I am researching BERG from Augustopol (Wilhelmstal)
KARL BERG married to ANNA LOUISE SCHUBERT

children were:
FRIEDERICK, LUDWIG, AUGUST, GUSTAV, LEOPOLD, EMIL, WILHELMINE, AUGUSTYNE

I have no exact dates but I am guessing the siblings are from 1870's-1880's

Irma Cooper
Edmonton


From textor at post8.tele.dk  Thu Nov  8 02:25:33 2001
From: textor at post8.tele.dk (Jan Textor)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 11:25:33 +0100
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] BERG from Augustopol
References: <000c01c16803$085a22c0$6401a8c0@ed.shawcable.net.ed.shawcabl
   e.net>
Message-ID: <003e01c16840$27c08a90$e5d4f9c3@dktecw056>

Hi Irma,

I'm not quite sure whether you only want to know more about the children of
Karl Berg, or if you also would like to know something about his ancestors.
I cannot tell you about his children, some of whom you might be able to find
in the SGGEE database, but I can tell you about his ancestors.

His father was Christian Berg, born about 1792 in Neutrebbin, Brandenburg,
Prussia, and his mother was Friederike Wilhelmine Berndt or Berendt, born
abt. 1792 in Neu Lewin, Brandenburg, Prussia. They were married 17 Sept.
1815 at the Catholic church of Da~browice, ref. marriage record #14/1815,
LDS film #0689821, Da~browice Cath. parish.

The parents of Christian Berg were Christian Berg, born abt. 1773, and
Marianne Schulz or Schultz.

The parents of Friederike Wilhelmine Ber(e)ndt were  Martin Ber(e)ndt, born
abt. 1776, died 20 Apr. 1837 in Augustopol, ref. death record #20/1837, LDS
film #0715286, Przedecz Ev. parish, and Marianne Hirsch.

Hope this helps.

Jan Textor, Denmark

> I am researching BERG from Augustopol (Wilhelmstal)
> KARL BERG married to ANNA LOUISE SCHUBERT
>
> children were:
> FRIEDERICK, LUDWIG, AUGUST, GUSTAV, LEOPOLD, EMIL, WILHELMINE, AUGUSTYNE
>
> I have no exact dates but I am guessing the siblings are from
1870's-1880's
>
> Irma Cooper
> Edmonton


From jkfrank at home.com  Sat Nov 10 07:47:10 2001
From: jkfrank at home.com (Jerry Frank)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 08:47:10 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] EWZ/BDC  Research
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011110080621.0240ca20@pop3.norton.antivirus>

For those of you researching family that was forced out of eastern regions 
back to Germany during WW II, these microfilms can be a major source of 
information.  I know personally of one woman whose father died during this 
resettlement.  She had no photo of her father until she found one on the 
card file from the EWZ/BDC records.  Many of these cards include pedigrees 
that go back 4 or 5 generations.

A general description of the content of this material can be found 
at   http://pixel.cs.vt.edu/library/berlin.html

It is significant that the report on that page fails to include the fact 
that many Volhynian and Russian Poland Germans are also included in these 
files.

Tom Stangl, who has done a great deal of research on these microfilms, 
recently updated and clarified some of that information in a recent posting 
to another mail service.  He has kindly agreed to allow me to repost that 
message.

----------------Start Tom Stangl message--------------------------------------

There are over 8,400 rolls of 16mm microfilm in the EWZ collection, which 
is part of a 70,000 roll collection from the former Berlin Document Center 
[BDC], which housed the German government documents captured in WW II.  Of 
these, 3,210 rolls are Antraege files--applications for naturalization 
1939-1945, which are organized by Region [e.g., "Russia", "Poland", 
"Rumania", etc.], and alphabetized by surname within Region. There are 843 
rolls which cover the Antraege of the German ethnics who came from "Russia" 
[including Ukrainian Volhynia]--these films are the EWZ50 series. Another 
701 rolls cover "Rumania" [Bessarabia, Dubrodscha, Bukovina]--these are the 
EWZ51 series. In addition to these series of films, there are groups of 
Antraege films for "Poland" [EWZ52--701 rolls, including Polish Volhynia], 
the "Baltics" [EWZ53--587 rolls], as well as several other regions 
[Yugoslavia, France, Bulgaria--379 rolls].

Besides the Antraege files, there were card files kept on each applicant 
for naturalization. These were the "E" cards [EWZ card--for everyone over 
age 15, and unaccompanied children younger than 15], and the "G" card 
["Gesundheitskarte"--Health card--for everyone over age 6; photos are often 
attached], which were combined into one alphabetical file covering all of 
the regions [Russia, Rumania, Poland, etc.], and were filmed as the EWZ57 
series. There are 1,964 rolls of film in the E/G Kartei [EWZ57] series.  A 
separate set of files called the Stammblaetter [EWZ58] contains copies of 
the Personalblatt from the Antraege file, plus a photograph of the 
applicant. There are 740 rolls of EWZ58 films. These files are arranged in 
EWZ number order [2 to 1,046,998].

Any of these films can be purchased from our Archives for $34 per roll 
postpaid to US addresses, or $39 US per roll postpaid to international
addresses. They can be ordered by telephone by calling toll free in the US 
at 1-800-234-8861, or toll at 301-713-6800 during working hours at the 
Archives [Monday-Friday 8:30 am to 4:30 pm EST]. However, you must know the 
film number of the film you wish to purchase, and there is no catalog 
available from which to order. The films cannot be rented or loaned from 
our Archives. The Archives has rudimentary indexes of these films [first 
and last name only on each roll of film], but has not made the indexes 
available outside the Microfilm Reading Room at Archives II. I am telling 
you these details so that you may fully understand the difficulties you 
would have to obtain these
films from our Archives.

The Mormon Church [LDS] has purchased a full set of the EWZ57 and EWZ58 
series of films. The LDS renumbered their copies of the films, so that it 
is not possible to use the LDS numbers to ask our Archives for assistance 
in obtaining an individual applicant's records on other series of films. A 
cross reference between the Archives film numbers for the EWZ58 series and 
the LDS numbers for this series has been posted on the Internet by Dave 
Obee <daveobee at home.com>. I am not aware of any cross reference being 
available for the EWZ57 series. The LDS has these films available for 
rental in North America at their local Family History Centers. I do not 
know whether or not
these films would be available in any of the LDS libraries in Europe.  A 
few years ago, the American government returned the hardcopy EWZ documents 
to the Bundesarchiv in Germany. A full set of the microfilms are in both 
our National Archives and the Bundesarchiv. I do not know the policies of 
the Bundesarchiv in regards to anyone in Germany accessing or purchasing 
these microfilms.

Researchers in the US and Canada, who are members of GRHS and AHSGR, have 
been purchasing rolls of EWZ film to do research on their families. Upon 
completion of their research, they have been donating the films to GRHS or 
AHSGR. The donated films are stored in the headquarters of each 
organization. Volunteers from GRHS have been indexing these donated films 
and posting the extractions on the Internet [Odessa Digital Library]. If 
your surname is among those posted on the Internet, much of your research 
has already been done; and it can provide you information about which 
records you might wish to obtain from either the Archives [by ordering your 
own copy of the film] or by requesting hard copies from the GR headquarters 
which has custody of the donated film.
---------------End Tom Stangl message------------------------------


Websites for the 2 organizations mentioned in the last paragraph 
are:   http://www.grhs.org    and   http://www.ahsgr.org

Please do not contact me personally for any further information about this 
resource as I do not have anything more.  Please use the links included 
throughout the above message along with those at the Pixel webpage to 
access more information.



Jerry Frank - Calgary, Alberta
jkfrank at home.com


From irmanator at shaw.ca  Sat Nov 10 09:25:35 2001
From: irmanator at shaw.ca (Irma Cooper)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 10:25:35 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] SOKOLEC - KANIBRODY
Message-ID: <000501c16a0c$b5cac080$6401a8c0@ed.shawcable.net.ed.shawcabl
  e.net>

The mysterious small village of Sokolec (not shown on any maps) is on the
road from Kanibrody to Beszyn. The Kanibrody school yard is on one side, and
Sokolec on the other.

My mother recalls a few of the neighbours with surnames HARMEL (sp?) and
SCHEMMING (sp?)


From daveobee at shaw.ca  Sat Nov 10 10:54:41 2001
From: daveobee at shaw.ca (Dave Obee)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 10:54:41 -0800
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] EWZ/BDC  Research
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011110080621.0240ca20@pop3.norton.antivirus>
Message-ID: <000e01c16a19$27e91d40$472a4d18@gv.shawcable.net>

For more on the EWZ, with film numbers for some Volhynians etc., go to my
page at

    http://members.home.net/daveobee/index.html

and click on Volhynia.

dave obee

----- Original Message -----
From: Jerry Frank <jkfrank at home.com>
To: <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 7:47 AM
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] EWZ/BDC Research


> For those of you researching family that was forced out of eastern regions
> back to Germany during WW II, these microfilms can be a major source of
> information.  I know personally of one woman whose father died during this
> resettlement.  She had no photo of her father until she found one on the
> card file from the EWZ/BDC records.  Many of these cards include pedigrees
> that go back 4 or 5 generations.
>
> A general description of the content of this material can be found
> at   http://pixel.cs.vt.edu/library/berlin.html
>
> It is significant that the report on that page fails to include the fact
> that many Volhynian and Russian Poland Germans are also included in these
> files.
>
> Tom Stangl, who has done a great deal of research on these microfilms,
> recently updated and clarified some of that information in a recent
posting
> to another mail service.  He has kindly agreed to allow me to repost that
> message.
>
> ----------------Start Tom Stangl
message--------------------------------------
>
> There are over 8,400 rolls of 16mm microfilm in the EWZ collection, which
> is part of a 70,000 roll collection from the former Berlin Document Center
> [BDC], which housed the German government documents captured in WW II.  Of
> these, 3,210 rolls are Antraege files--applications for naturalization
> 1939-1945, which are organized by Region [e.g., "Russia", "Poland",
> "Rumania", etc.], and alphabetized by surname within Region. There are 843
> rolls which cover the Antraege of the German ethnics who came from
"Russia"
> [including Ukrainian Volhynia]--these films are the EWZ50 series. Another
> 701 rolls cover "Rumania" [Bessarabia, Dubrodscha, Bukovina]--these are
the
> EWZ51 series. In addition to these series of films, there are groups of
> Antraege films for "Poland" [EWZ52--701 rolls, including Polish Volhynia],
> the "Baltics" [EWZ53--587 rolls], as well as several other regions
> [Yugoslavia, France, Bulgaria--379 rolls].
>
> Besides the Antraege files, there were card files kept on each applicant
> for naturalization. These were the "E" cards [EWZ card--for everyone over
> age 15, and unaccompanied children younger than 15], and the "G" card
> ["Gesundheitskarte"--Health card--for everyone over age 6; photos are
often
> attached], which were combined into one alphabetical file covering all of
> the regions [Russia, Rumania, Poland, etc.], and were filmed as the EWZ57
> series. There are 1,964 rolls of film in the E/G Kartei [EWZ57] series.  A
> separate set of files called the Stammblaetter [EWZ58] contains copies of
> the Personalblatt from the Antraege file, plus a photograph of the
> applicant. There are 740 rolls of EWZ58 films. These files are arranged in
> EWZ number order [2 to 1,046,998].
>
> Any of these films can be purchased from our Archives for $34 per roll
> postpaid to US addresses, or $39 US per roll postpaid to international
> addresses. They can be ordered by telephone by calling toll free in the US
> at 1-800-234-8861, or toll at 301-713-6800 during working hours at the
> Archives [Monday-Friday 8:30 am to 4:30 pm EST]. However, you must know
the
> film number of the film you wish to purchase, and there is no catalog
> available from which to order. The films cannot be rented or loaned from
> our Archives. The Archives has rudimentary indexes of these films [first
> and last name only on each roll of film], but has not made the indexes
> available outside the Microfilm Reading Room at Archives II. I am telling
> you these details so that you may fully understand the difficulties you
> would have to obtain these
> films from our Archives.
>
> The Mormon Church [LDS] has purchased a full set of the EWZ57 and EWZ58
> series of films. The LDS renumbered their copies of the films, so that it
> is not possible to use the LDS numbers to ask our Archives for assistance
> in obtaining an individual applicant's records on other series of films. A
> cross reference between the Archives film numbers for the EWZ58 series and
> the LDS numbers for this series has been posted on the Internet by Dave
> Obee <daveobee at home.com>. I am not aware of any cross reference being
> available for the EWZ57 series. The LDS has these films available for
> rental in North America at their local Family History Centers. I do not
> know whether or not
> these films would be available in any of the LDS libraries in Europe.  A
> few years ago, the American government returned the hardcopy EWZ documents
> to the Bundesarchiv in Germany. A full set of the microfilms are in both
> our National Archives and the Bundesarchiv. I do not know the policies of
> the Bundesarchiv in regards to anyone in Germany accessing or purchasing
> these microfilms.
>
> Researchers in the US and Canada, who are members of GRHS and AHSGR, have
> been purchasing rolls of EWZ film to do research on their families. Upon
> completion of their research, they have been donating the films to GRHS or
> AHSGR. The donated films are stored in the headquarters of each
> organization. Volunteers from GRHS have been indexing these donated films
> and posting the extractions on the Internet [Odessa Digital Library]. If
> your surname is among those posted on the Internet, much of your research
> has already been done; and it can provide you information about which
> records you might wish to obtain from either the Archives [by ordering
your
> own copy of the film] or by requesting hard copies from the GR
headquarters
> which has custody of the donated film.
> ---------------End Tom Stangl message------------------------------
>
>
> Websites for the 2 organizations mentioned in the last paragraph
> are:   http://www.grhs.org    and   http://www.ahsgr.org
>
> Please do not contact me personally for any further information about this
> resource as I do not have anything more.  Please use the links included
> throughout the above message along with those at the Pixel webpage to
> access more information.
>
>
>
> Jerry Frank - Calgary, Alberta
> jkfrank at home.com
> _______________________________________________
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> Ger-Poland-Volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
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From Viking4Don at aol.com  Sun Nov 11 11:57:11 2001
From: Viking4Don at aol.com (Viking4Don at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 14:57:11 EST
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Hupke of Prussia
Message-ID: <15f.3b131fb.29203217@aol.com>

I am trying to find any information on the Hupke's from Haberberg, 
OstPreussen, Prussen. I have found a Carl Ferdinand Hupke who was christened 
on 1 Jan 1800. 
I think that he may be the father of my great-grandfather Wilhelm Hupke born 
about 1837.  Wilhelm arrived in America on 11 Aug 1873 with his family and 
Mother Dorothea. They settled in Monee, Will Co., Illinois according to the 
1880 Census. If any one has any information on the Hupke's please let me 
know? 
Thank you 
Donald Goreham


From dnmiller at whiz.to  Tue Nov 13 20:57:18 2001
From: dnmiller at whiz.to (Don Miller)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 20:57:18 -0800
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Volhynian Adventure Tours, June 24-July 7, 2002
Message-ID: <MDENLHNJGOJPEMCINENECECPCBAA.dnmiller@whiz.to>

VOLHYNIAN ADVENTURE TOUR, June 24-July 7, 2002

The Volhynian Adventure Tour scheduled for next summer has room for a couple
more participants.  Highlights of the tour include visiting the villages of
your ancestry within the area roughly from Zhitomir to Rozyszcze, doing
research in the State Archives in Zhitomir, Rovno and Lutsk, enjoying
Ukrainian people/culture, sightseeing in historic Kiev, including a boat
cruise on the Kneiper River, exploring personal interests, and making a
stop-over in Europe, if you desire.  The group is deliberately kept small, a
maximum of 12, to allow for maximum benefit.  Tour escort and
English-speaking guides are included.

For more information regarding costs and other details, visit the web site
at: http://inthemidstofwolves.com and click on Tours, or if you would like
to check with tour members who have just completed a similar trip with me,
(my 11th to Ukraine), call me at (503) 647-5858 and I will give you their
names.

Don Miller


From krushelh at cadvision.com  Wed Nov 14 09:04:19 2001
From: krushelh at cadvision.com (Howard Krushel)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 10:04:19 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Re: The ORIGINAL Volhynian Village Adventure Tour, May 25-June
 8, 2002
References: <MDENLHNJGOJPEMCINENECECPCBAA.dnmiller@whiz.to>
Message-ID: <000901c16d2e$67222a20$e59094cf@howardkrushel>

The ORIGINAL VOLHYNIAN VILLAGE ADVENTURE TOUR, May 25-June 8, 2002

Why settle for 2nd best--chose the tour operator that pioneered travel
throughout Eastern Europe. Careful planning and attention to detail has been
the "watch-word" for MIR Corp.ever since they began organizing tours into
Eastern Block countries in 1989.
For the trip of your life-time join the ORIGINAL Volhynian Village Adventure
Tour which has been travelling through ALL areas of Volhynia and Poland
since 1993.
In-depth pre-trip research, detailed village maps, 1st class accommodation &
guides, as well as personal visits to Polish and Volhynian Archives, will
ensure your complete satisfaction.
Don't be disappointed; for a safe, worry free time join the ORIGINAL
Volhynian Village Adventure Tour led by Howard Krushel and George Maser.
2002 tour dates are May 25- June 8.
For further details contact MIR Corp.at www.mircorp.com , or Howard Krushel
at krushelh at cadvision.com or George Maser at volhynia at juno.com


From Genealdhh at aol.com  Wed Nov 14 13:10:05 2001
From: Genealdhh at aol.com (Genealdhh at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 16:10:05 EST
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Town or Village
Message-ID: <ac.1dc8aef7.292437ad@aol.com>

In the past, I have posted this question on other lists.  However, since this 
list is new and may have a new audience, I am posting my inquiry again.

I am trying to find the origin of my grandmother ANNA BOJARSKI.  On the 
Hamburg Passenger list and on the manifest for the Normannia, her place of 
origin is listed as POLUZYN.  I believe she was traveling with two members of 
the GROCHOWSKI family.  The entry for them says the place of origin is 
POTUZYN.

Other surnames connected to her (I don't know the relationships) are 
MIGDALSKI and CHOSKIEWICZ.  Her parents were Franciszek Bojarski and 
Florentina Choskiewicz.

Can anyone help or make suggestions?


From Kendrick_ at webtv.net  Thu Nov 15 05:40:52 2001
From: Kendrick_ at webtv.net (Pat)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 07:40:52 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Germany/Poland/ Lithuania
In-Reply-To: Genealdhh@aol.com's message of Wed, 14 Nov 2001 16:10:05
  EST
Message-ID: <2582-3BF3C5E4-1313@storefull-625.iap.bryant.webtv.net>

I am researching my great-grandparents:
 Kumpakiske/Kumpakszke, Kumpakikis, Kumpakike,
Kumpakikiene, Kumpakikaite, 'Kumpakikaite' Meje/Mie/Mey,
Schultz, Kissel/Kessel?
-------------------------
thanks from,
Kendrick_ at webtv.com

 Original family name: Kumpakszke (the Polish spelling was used in
family letters); 
the Lithuanian spelling would be Kumpakiske.
-----
I received these possible other spellings from another researcher: 
[1] an adult male to be Kumpakikis' 
[2] his wife could be 'Kumpakike or Kumpakikiene' 
[3] a unmarried daughter, would be 'Kumpakikaite' 
[4] A male child could be 'Kumpakikaitis'.
===============================      Henry Kress Kumpakiske/Kumpakszke
(changed to Schultz) born: May 15, abt 1872 or 1875, in Kovno (Kaunas),
Lithuania died: Oct 27, 1961 MS. 
----- 
 Notes on Henry: 
 His mother's name was possibly Anna. Schultz or Shultz may have been
her maiden name. We were told of cousins in Germany, but no info on
them. His father, ? Kumpakiske/Kumpakszke died May 25, 1911, in
Lithuania. 
--- 
 Henry had 2 brothers: Kristupas, who remained in Lithuania, and George,
who came to America. There was a sister, Ane, in Lithuania. Henry's
daughter, Annie Mae Schultz-married Guy Pendarvis, in Jackson County,
MS; said that another sister came to America also with her father,
Henry. But, no info on this sister. 
--- 
wife: 
Marie Meje/Mie/Mey????? 
born: May 15, or June 18, 1883, in Kovno (Kaunas), Lithuania died: May
31, 1963, Pascagoula, MS. 
--- 
Marie's mother's name was probably Rozalija. Marie had 1 sister, and 3
brothers. Two of the brothers died from drinking water from a well that
was poisoned from dead dogs being in it. In 1913, Rozalija and her
husband were living with a daughter, in the village of Kazoku.  A son
lived nearby. 
--- 
 Any info would be great! I know they are not on the new Ellis Island
records web site, even though that's where Henry and family came threw,
to New York in 1903 (unless another surnames was used.) And staying with
relatives, but no info on Kessel? family. 

thanks from, 
pat creel   
Kendrick_ at webtv.com 

researching: Kumpakiske/Kumpakszke, Kumpakikis, Kumpakike,
Kumpakikiene, Kumpakikaite, 'Kumpakikaite', Meje/Mie/Mey/Meja
???, Kissel/Kessel?, Schultz/>NY>PENN>Cook
County,IL>OHIO>IL>LA>Mobile,AL>JacksonCounty,MS (no idea of some
counties in these states).
   
& also: James Pendarvis/Nancy Williams>Alachua County,FL>& Hannon
Jones/R.Rocha,1840  JacksonCounty,MS 

&  also:               
ElijahCreel/Vina?Creal/VinaDearman>Lauderdale County,MS>Mobile & Choctaw
Counties of Alabama, USA.


From oweber at vaxxine.com  Thu Nov 15 06:44:26 2001
From: oweber at vaxxine.com (Otto Weber)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 09:44:26 -0500
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Re:  Roesler, Kl.Kupla
Message-ID: <001601c16de4$074c5a60$6bda05d1@pc.vaxxine.com>

Requesting information of Christian Roesler ,
village: Kl.Kupla
Time apr. 1860


From JJNLT at aol.com  Thu Nov 15 09:52:33 2001
From: JJNLT at aol.com (JJNLT at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 12:52:33 EST
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Re: Volhynian Tours
Message-ID: <136.4a14a56.29255ae1@aol.com>

So, are these merely competing tours?  How much experience does anyone on the 
list have with either one?

<< VOLHYNIAN ADVENTURE TOUR, June 24-July 7, 2002 >>

AND

<< The ORIGINAL VOLHYNIAN VILLAGE ADVENTURE TOUR, May 25-June 8, 2002 >>


From DrVbuzz at aol.com  Thu Nov 15 10:17:24 2001
From: DrVbuzz at aol.com (DrVbuzz at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 13:17:24 EST
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Volhynian Tours
Message-ID: <4a.1be69d9.292560b4@aol.com>

They both give tours, competing???  Guess I see it as two different groups 
with very strong ties to our Motherland, each offering their various long 
term experiences.

In 1996 I was on the Krushel/Maser tour.  It was wonderful, I look back on it 
with great fondness.  I often say it was one of the best trips/vacations I 
ever had.  I'm sure that my friend Don Miller also offers an exciting, 
informative tour.  

Do I want to go again, yes indeed and someday I will. 
 
Victor Gess
Poland/Volhynia   Gess/Jess/Rode/Rohde/Riske/Schmuland/Wonnek
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So, are these merely competing tours?  How much experience does anyone on the 
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<< VOLHYNIAN ADVENTURE TOUR, June 24-July 7, 2002 >>

AND

<< The ORIGINAL VOLHYNIAN VILLAGE ADVENTURE TOUR, May 25-June 8, 2002 >>
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From benovich at montanadsl.net  Thu Nov 15 09:12:37 2001
From: benovich at montanadsl.net ( Richard Benert)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 12:12:37 -0500
Subject: Fw: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] EWZ/BDC  Research
Message-ID: <000301c16dfc$654213e0$c0b0a6d8@oemcomputer>

At the end of this note is a posting made by Jerry Frank on Nov. 10 in which
he forwarded to us Tom Stangl's reminder of the BDC documents in the U.S.
National Archives and their usefulness for finding information on people who
applied for German citizenship and left central and eastern Europe during
W.W. II.

I will repeat the offer that I recently made to the GR-Heritage listserve.
I have made copies of the E/G Kartei index, the Stammbldtter  index, and the
EWZ50 index of Antraege from Russia.  So at least one copy of these DOES
EXIST outside of the National Archives.  I am sorry that I did not make a
copy of
EWZ52 for applicants from Poland and Polish Volhynia.  However, people from
Poland and Polish Volhynia should be included in the E/G Kartei and the
Stammbldtter rolls.

If anyone sends me a name, the E/G index should indicate which roll in that
series to order (depending on the accuracy of the alphabetization).  That
roll, if it does in fact contain the E or G cards of that person, will also
give the EWZ case number for the person in question.  With knowledge of the
case number, I can find in the Stammbldtter index (which only goes by the
numbers) the roll  in that series that you should order.  It appears to be a
two-step process.  One cannot gain access to the appropriate Stammbldtter
film without the case number,
and one cannot know the case number without first consulting the E/G Kartei.
I can also refer you to the appropriate Antraege roll (from the EWZ50 index)
if your relative was from Russia.  If anyone would like me to consult my
copies of the indexes, please feel free to ask. It only takes a minute.

It should be said that there is no guarantee that cards for every
person who should be in these records will in fact be there.  So ordering a
film is, in that sense, a slight risk.  If you're not inclined to take this
chance, you can contact either Tom Stangl (TSTANGLSR at aol.com) or Rita
Scheirer (ritabill at erols.com), both of whom are willing and able to do the
research for you.  Tom charges less, but Rita can do the translating for
you, and her fees are reasonable.

Of course, another alternative would be to rent the E/G Kartei film you want
from the LDS, as Tom suggested.  This only means looking up the LDS film
number on Dave Obee's website once you know the appropriate BDC number.
It's all a bit complicated and time-consuming, but I'm willing to help you
get started.


Dick Benert


>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jerry Frank <jkfrank at home.com>
>To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
><ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
>Date: Saturday, November 10, 2001 10:47 AM
>Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] EWZ/BDC Research
>
>
>>For those of you researching family that was forced out of eastern regions
>>back to Germany during WW II, these microfilms can be a major source of
>>information.  I know personally of one woman whose father died during this
>>resettlement.  She had no photo of her father until she found one on the
>>card file from the EWZ/BDC records.  Many of these cards include pedigrees
>>that go back 4 or 5 generations.
>>
>>A general description of the content of this material can be found
>>at   http://pixel.cs.vt.edu/library/berlin.html
>>
>>It is significant that the report on that page fails to include the fact
>>that many Volhynian and Russian Poland Germans are also included in these
>>files.
>>
>>Tom Stangl, who has done a great deal of research on these microfilms,
>>recently updated and clarified some of that information in a recent
posting
>>to another mail service.  He has kindly agreed to allow me to repost that
>>message.
>>
>>----------------Start Tom Stangl
>message--------------------------------------
>>
>>There are over 8,400 rolls of 16mm microfilm in the EWZ collection, which
>>is part of a 70,000 roll collection from the former Berlin Document Center
>>[BDC], which housed the German government documents captured in WW II.  Of
>>these, 3,210 rolls are Antraege files--applications for naturalization
>>1939-1945, which are organized by Region [e.g., "Russia", "Poland",
>>"Rumania", etc.], and alphabetized by surname within Region. There are 843
>>rolls which cover the Antraege of the German ethnics who came from
"Russia"
>>[including Ukrainian Volhynia]--these films are the EWZ50 series. Another
>>701 rolls cover "Rumania" [Bessarabia, Dubrodscha, Bukovina]--these are
the
>>EWZ51 series. In addition to these series of films, there are groups of
>>Antraege films for "Poland" [EWZ52--701 rolls, including Polish Volhynia],
>>the "Baltics" [EWZ53--587 rolls], as well as several other regions
>>[Yugoslavia, France, Bulgaria--379 rolls].
>>
>>Besides the Antraege files, there were card files kept on each applicant
>>for naturalization. These were the "E" cards [EWZ card--for everyone over
>>age 15, and unaccompanied children younger than 15], and the "G" card
>>["Gesundheitskarte"--Health card--for everyone over age 6; photos are
often
>>attached], which were combined into one alphabetical file covering all of
>>the regions [Russia, Rumania, Poland, etc.], and were filmed as the EWZ57
>>series. There are 1,964 rolls of film in the E/G Kartei [EWZ57] series.  A
>>separate set of files called the Stammblaetter [EWZ58] contains copies of
>>the Personalblatt from the Antraege file, plus a photograph of the
>>applicant. There are 740 rolls of EWZ58 films. These files are arranged in
>>EWZ number order [2 to 1,046,998].
>>
>>Any of these films can be purchased from our Archives for $34 per roll
>>postpaid to US addresses, or $39 US per roll postpaid to international
>>addresses. They can be ordered by telephone by calling toll free in the US
>>at 1-800-234-8861, or toll at 301-713-6800 during working hours at the
>>Archives [Monday-Friday 8:30 am to 4:30 pm EST]. However, you must know
the
>>film number of the film you wish to purchase, and there is no catalog
>>available from which to order. The films cannot be rented or loaned from
>>our Archives. The Archives has rudimentary indexes of these films [first
>>and last name only on each roll of film], but has not made the indexes
>>available outside the Microfilm Reading Room at Archives II. I am telling
>>you these details so that you may fully understand the difficulties you
>>would have to obtain these
>>films from our Archives.
>>
>>The Mormon Church [LDS] has purchased a full set of the EWZ57 and EWZ58
>>series of films. The LDS renumbered their copies of the films, so that it
>>is not possible to use the LDS numbers to ask our Archives for assistance
>>in obtaining an individual applicant's records on other series of films. A
>>cross reference between the Archives film numbers for the EWZ58 series and
>>the LDS numbers for this series has been posted on the Internet by Dave
>>Obee <daveobee at home.com>. I am not aware of any cross reference being
>>available for the EWZ57 series. The LDS has these films available for
>>rental in North America at their local Family History Centers. I do not
>>know whether or not
>>these films would be available in any of the LDS libraries in Europe.  A
>>few years ago, the American government returned the hardcopy EWZ documents
>>to the Bundesarchiv in Germany. A full set of the microfilms are in both
>>our National Archives and the Bundesarchiv. I do not know the policies of
>>the Bundesarchiv in regards to anyone in Germany accessing or purchasing
>>these microfilms.
>>
>>Researchers in the US and Canada, who are members of GRHS and AHSGR, have
>>been purchasing rolls of EWZ film to do research on their families. Upon
>>completion of their research, they have been donating the films to GRHS or
>>AHSGR. The donated films are stored in the headquarters of each
>>organization. Volunteers from GRHS have been indexing these donated films
>>and posting the extractions on the Internet [Odessa Digital Library]. If
>>your surname is among those posted on the Internet, much of your research
>>has already been done; and it can provide you information about which
>>records you might wish to obtain from either the Archives [by ordering
your
>>own copy of the film] or by requesting hard copies from the GR
headquarters
>>which has custody of the donated film.
>>---------------End Tom Stangl message------------------------------
>>
>>
>>Websites for the 2 organizations mentioned in the last paragraph
>>are:   http://www.grhs.org    and   http://www.ahsgr.org
>>
>>Please do not contact me personally for any further information about this
>>resource as I do not have anything more.  Please use the links included
>>throughout the above message along with those at the Pixel webpage to
>>access more information.
>>
>>
>>
>>Jerry Frank - Calgary, Alberta
>>jkfrank at home.com
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From ursula.bachman at ei.educ.ab.ca  Thu Nov 15 12:15:49 2001
From: ursula.bachman at ei.educ.ab.ca (Ursula Bachman)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 14:15:49 -0600
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Location of Records in Poland
Message-ID: <fc.000f7c2800016861000f7c2800016861.24c5d8@fclass.ei.educ.a
  b.ca>

Could someone please clarify where I would find records for the following
towns in Poland (please excuse the spelling of the towns):

Boda around 1850
Zeglof or Ceglow (about 40 miles from Warsaw) around 1853
Kiciny from 1850 and on
Borownie 1941
Rosalin, Kris Wengrow - 1856
Mlynarze 1856

This would be much appreciated. Thank you.


From dnmiller at whiz.to  Thu Nov 15 13:03:32 2001
From: dnmiller at whiz.to (Don Miller)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 13:03:32 -0800
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Volhynian Adbventure Tours, June 24-July 7, 2002
Message-ID: <MDENLHNJGOJPEMCINENEKEDBCBAA.dnmiller@whiz.to>

My friend, Victor Gess, is exactly correct in word and spirit.  These are
"two different groups with very strong ties to our Motherland, each offering
their various long term experiences."

My experiences goes back to the "Wandering Volhynian" Conference in
Vancouver in the early 1990's.  At the Conference I heard a report of
someone who had taken a tour to the Volga.  I was deeply touched and stirred
to return to my homeland.  I had been there in 1980 and had always wanted to
return.  I thought it would be wonderful to pioneer such a tour, not just
for myself, but for others as well.  To get the ball rolling I went to
George Maser and said, "Hey, George, why don't we sponsor a tour to
Volhynia?"  At the time it seemed rather formitable, as we did not know of
anyone one else who had lead such a tour to the area.  There were many
things to consider.  But as we began to explore the options, our fear was
dissapiated and in 1993, we led the first such tour to the area with 26
participants, including Howard Krushel.  It was so successful that the
following year George and I lead a second tour, this time with 21 members.

After that, my heart turned to humanitarian/mission interests in the very
villages of my forefathers, near Zhitomir.  We have since established eight
Good Samaritan Centers there, each with a full-time paid director.  Our
mission is "to help the helpless, especially widows and orphans and to train
and empower the people to help themselves."  We have had  remarkable
success.  Each year we send teams of doctors and dentists and other support
people.  We have also established two First Aid Clincis and periodically
send containers of food, clothing and medicine.  During my many visits to
Ukraine, now 11, I have worked extensively in the Archives and developed a
personal relationship with the director of the State Archives in Zhitomir.
This past September our organization was able to purchase a new computer for
the Archives to augment and upgrade their limited and dated equipment.  In
my many visits to the Archives over the years, I often thought of that first
contact we made with the Archives in 1993 and the discovery of the "1915
Deportation List of Germans," which has since been made available to the
public.

But the most notable event that led to my return to Volhynia as tour leader
was the publication in 2000 of my book entitled, ""In the Midst of Wolves (A
History of German Baptists in Volhynia, Russia)."  After the book was
published a number of people began to encourage me to again lead a tour to
Volhynia.  I resisted the idea because I did not want it to take from my
humanitarian work, but I eventually saw a way to combine the two, and last
September led our tour of ten to the area, which turned out to be remarkably
successful.  I will continue to lead one such similar tour each year as long
as there is an interest.

I wish the other tour group and their leaders, with George and Howard, well.
As I see it, there is a place for both in that each has a little different
emphasis, focus and philosophy.  We keep our group small, no more than 12,
for maximum benifit and exposure.  We also customize and personalize our
tours.  And because are not in the business of making a big profit, we are
able to keep the cost down, which is especially good news for Canadians.  In
addition, if people want to make a stop over in Poland, we can arrange that.
In short, over the years, we have established many contacts and
relationships which allows us to give a top quality tour, free of the usual
hassels.  I would encourage anyone interested in going to Volhynia, to
carefully check out both tours and simply choose the one that best meets
their needs.  Personally, I would like to see both groups succeed. To find
out more about our tour, go to our web page is http://inthemidstofwolves.com
and click on "Tours." You can also call me  at 503 647-5858 or write me at
12814 NW Bishop Road, Hillsboro, OR 97124 for a list of our last tour
members.

Don Miller
Tour Leader


From msjacobs at flash.net  Thu Nov 15 13:07:48 2001
From: msjacobs at flash.net (MARTHA JACOBS)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 15:07:48 -0600
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Wolf& Schlag or Schlack families
Message-ID: <3BF42EA4.C15F9759@flash.net>

My mother and her parents came from the Zhitomir area of then Prussia.
They were the only members of either family that came to this country in
1895.  I am looking for possible kin folks who may or may not still live
in the area.  The only reference I have is some old letters which is as
follows:
PM date        PM location                From
Oct.1924        Lippen                Martin & Emma Geswein
Feb. 1924       Feronwerk        Martin Geswein Jr.
Mar. 1924       Grienberg         Olga Geswein (a note attached from

Michael Klammer)
Jan. 1930         Ruhland            Olga Geswein
Mar. 1928       Gosz Walz        Edward & Justine Pointkowski
                        Heidekrug        Gusha Rahtz   (PM date not
legible)
Nov. 1923       Heidekrug         Michael Rahtz
Mar. 1937       Balluponen        Michael Rahtz
May 1924       Grosz Walz        Justina Schlack
Apr. 1924       Kallwischken     Gottlieb Schramm
May 1924       Breitsch              Karl & Augusta Tomm (a note
attached from   Karoline Tomm, signed "Mother")
If anyone has any information on any of these families, please help me
find them.


From sdkron at hotmail.com  Thu Nov 15 13:19:55 2001
From: sdkron at hotmail.com (Don Kronenberger)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 16:19:55 -0500
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Re: Town or Village
Message-ID: <F120g0pepP1znXgffHr00013f10@hotmail.com>

On the Russians to America 1850-1896, I found an "Anne Bojarska", age 15, 
arriving 9/21/1891 on the Normannia in New York.  Her nation of origin is 
listed as Poland and her last residence as "Poluzyn".  Her port of departure 
is "Hamburg and Southhampton", she traveled steerage, and her literacy is 
unknown.

>From: Genealdhh at aol.com
>Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 16:10:05 EST
>To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
>Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Town or Village
>
>In the past, I have posted this question on other lists.  However, since 
>this
>list is new and may have a new audience, I am posting my inquiry again.

>I am trying to find the origin of my grandmother ANNA BOJARSKI.  On the
>Hamburg Passenger list and on the manifest for the Normannia, her place of
>origin is listed as POLUZYN.  I believe she was traveling with two members 
>of
>the GROCHOWSKI family.  The entry for them says the place of origin is
>POTUZYN.
>
>Other surnames connected to her (I don't know the relationships) are
>MIGDALSKI and CHOSKIEWICZ.  Her parents were Franciszek Bojarski and
>Florentina Choskiewicz.
>
>Can anyone help or make suggestions?


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From jkfrank at home.com  Thu Nov 15 13:53:34 2001
From: jkfrank at home.com (Jerry Frank)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 14:53:34 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Town or Village
In-Reply-To: <ac.1dc8aef7.292437ad@aol.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011115145055.0242c3f8@pop3.norton.antivirus>

At 04:10 PM 14/11/2001 -0500, Genealdhh at aol.com wrote:

>I am trying to find the origin of my grandmother ANNA BOJARSKI.  On the
>Hamburg Passenger list and on the manifest for the Normannia, her place of
>origin is listed as POLUZYN.  I believe she was traveling with two members of
>the GROCHOWSKI family.  The entry for them says the place of origin is
>POTUZYN.


The T and the L with a slash through it often get interchanged.  The 
closest I can find to this spelling is POTURZYN and it is located in the 
extreme SE corner of Poland in Zamosc province, about 40 km ENE of Tomaszew 
Lubelski.



Jerry Frank - Calgary, Alberta
jkfrank at home.com


From jkfrank at home.com  Thu Nov 15 14:13:38 2001
From: jkfrank at home.com (Jerry Frank)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 15:13:38 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Wolf& Schlag or Schlack families
In-Reply-To: <3BF42EA4.C15F9759@flash.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011115145503.0248de90@pop3.norton.antivirus>

Just to clarify, Zhitomir was never part of Prussia.  It was in Volhynia, 
Russia, now Ukraine.  I cannot find the place names you list in modern 
Germany so I suspect they may have been in East or West Prussia.  Many 
Germans migrated to those German provinces from Volhynia during and after WW I.

Since these people or descendants may still be in Germany, you might want 
to try also posting this message on the bulletin board at 
http://www.wolhynien.de      That website is in Germany and probably is 
seen by more German residents.

You could also try writing to some of the families with those surnames in 
Germany.  You can get addresses from the online telephone book which only 
lists 5 Geswein and 40 Rahtz in all of Germany.   The address 
is:  http://www.teleauskunft.de/  and click the link in the upper left 
corner for the English version.


At 03:07 PM 15/11/2001 -0600, MARTHA JACOBS wrote:
>My mother and her parents came from the Zhitomir area of then Prussia.
>They were the only members of either family that came to this country in
>1895.  I am looking for possible kin folks who may or may not still live
>in the area.  The only reference I have is some old letters which is as
>follows:
>PM date        PM location                From
>Oct.1924        Lippen                Martin & Emma Geswein
>Feb. 1924       Feronwerk        Martin Geswein Jr.
>Mar. 1924       Grienberg         Olga Geswein (a note attached from
>
>Michael Klammer)
>Jan. 1930         Ruhland            Olga Geswein
>Mar. 1928       Gosz Walz        Edward & Justine Pointkowski
>                         Heidekrug        Gusha Rahtz   (PM date not
>legible)
>Nov. 1923       Heidekrug         Michael Rahtz
>Mar. 1937       Balluponen        Michael Rahtz
>May 1924       Grosz Walz        Justina Schlack
>Apr. 1924       Kallwischken     Gottlieb Schramm
>May 1924       Breitsch              Karl & Augusta Tomm (a note
>attached from   Karoline Tomm, signed "Mother")
>If anyone has any information on any of these families, please help me
>find them.
>_______________________________________________
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Jerry Frank - Calgary, Alberta
jkfrank at home.com


From karen at krl.org  Thu Nov 15 15:46:52 2001
From: karen at krl.org (Karen Miller)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 15:46:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Location of Ibersheim
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0111151546280.12198-100000@linknet.kitsap.lib
  .wa.us>

I want to make sure I am getting the right LDS film, so

Can someone tell me if Ibersheim is in Worms which is in Rheinhessen in
Germany?  Are there other local names for this area that I am missing?

Thanks

Karen


  



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From gary at warnerengineering.com  Thu Nov 15 14:33:52 2001
From: gary at warnerengineering.com (Gary Warner)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 14:33:52 -0800
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Re: Town or Village
In-Reply-To: <F120g0pepP1znXgffHr00013f10@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20011115143319.01b54ab0@pop3.norton.antivirus>

Don,

What is the "On the Russians to America 1850-1896"?

Gary

At 01:19 PM 11/15/2001 , Don Kronenberger wrote:
>On the Russians to America 1850-1896, I found an "Anne Bojarska", age 15, 
>arriving 9/21/1891 on the Normannia in New York.  Her nation of origin is 
>listed as Poland and her last residence as "Poluzyn".  Her port of 
>departure is "Hamburg and Southhampton", she traveled steerage, and her 
>literacy is unknown.
>
>>From: Genealdhh at aol.com
>>Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 16:10:05 EST
>>To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
>>Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Town or Village
>>
>>In the past, I have posted this question on other lists.  However, since this
>>list is new and may have a new audience, I am posting my inquiry again.
>
>>I am trying to find the origin of my grandmother ANNA BOJARSKI.  On the
>>Hamburg Passenger list and on the manifest for the Normannia, her place of
>>origin is listed as POLUZYN.  I believe she was traveling with two members of
>>the GROCHOWSKI family.  The entry for them says the place of origin is
>>POTUZYN.
>>
>>Other surnames connected to her (I don't know the relationships) are
>>MIGDALSKI and CHOSKIEWICZ.  Her parents were Franciszek Bojarski and
>>Florentina Choskiewicz.
>>
>>Can anyone help or make suggestions?
>
>
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From dmattis at earthlink.net  Thu Nov 15 19:06:34 2001
From: dmattis at earthlink.net (Dale Mattis)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 22:06:34 -0500
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] EWZ/BDC  Research
References: <000301c16dfc$654213e0$c0b0a6d8@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <3BF482BA.26B7DDBC@earthlink.net>

I agree with everyone who has praised this great research tool.  My
experience was that in the EWZ file I looked at, the first and last
names of the applicant were always complete, the parents of the
applicant were just about always complete, but the grandparents names
(particularly of the applicant's spouse if the spouse wasn't applying,
too)were often surnames only.

I mention this because if your ancestors came to the the US or Canada 2
or 3 generations before the EWZ applicant did the paperwork, you may
well find people with the same surname, but you may be less successful
in establishing clear family connections because of missing first names
in the EWZ records.  

It is easier to make connections with rarer surnames than common
surnames - I had better luck looking for my NIKOLAIs than I did looking
for my ARNDTs, for example.  Believe it or not there was more than 1 
August Arndt in the records!  :-)

This won't help those out west much, but if you can get to the archives
in College Park, MD to do the research, the facilities are great, and
the films are shelved where you can get at them yourselves.  You can
move through the films relatively quickly.


From JJNLT at aol.com  Fri Nov 16 14:02:57 2001
From: JJNLT at aol.com (JJNLT at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 17:02:57 EST
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Re: Volhynian Adbventure Tours, June 24-July 7, 2002
Message-ID: <14e.41d84ea.2926e711@aol.com>

Tom,
<< As I see it, there is a place for both in that each has a little different
 emphasis, focus and philosophy.  >>

   How do you see the difference of your tour's "emphasis, focus and 
philosophy" from the other tour being discussed?  Size? Personalization? ???

Blessings,
  Joanne


From JJNLT at aol.com  Fri Nov 16 14:07:39 2001
From: JJNLT at aol.com (JJNLT at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 17:07:39 EST
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Re: EWZ/BDC  Research
Message-ID: <168.407d3eb.2926e82b@aol.com>

<< This won't help those out west much, but if you can get to the archives
 in College Park, MD to do the research, the facilities are great, and
 the films are shelved where you can get at them yourselves.  You can
 move through the films relatively quickly. >>

   Where can one find out what is in the College Park archives?  (I have used 
the ones in DC extensively and hadn't seen the one in College Park 
mentioned.)  I live in the DC metro area and could easily get to College Park 
if I knew what to look for when I got there...

Blessings,
  Joanne


From dmattis at earthlink.net  Fri Nov 16 15:59:57 2001
From: dmattis at earthlink.net (Dale Mattis)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 18:59:57 -0500
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Re: EWZ/BDC  Research
References: <168.407d3eb.2926e82b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <3BF5A87D.10687777@earthlink.net>

This was part of a long thread on the EWZ files, a copy of which are in
the National Archives in College Park.

JJNLT at aol.com wrote:
> 
> << This won't help those out west much, but if you can get to the archives
>  in College Park, MD to do the research, the facilities are great, and
>  the films are shelved where you can get at them yourselves.  You can
>  move through the films relatively quickly. >>
> 
>    Where can one find out what is in the College Park archives?  (I have used
> the ones in DC extensively and hadn't seen the one in College Park
> mentioned.)  I live in the DC metro area and could easily get to College Park
> if I knew what to look for when I got there...
> 
> Blessings,
>   Joanne
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From jkfrank at home.com  Sat Nov 17 07:46:49 2001
From: jkfrank at home.com (Jerry Frank)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 08:46:49 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Location of Records in Poland
In-Reply-To: <fc.000f7c2800016861000f7c2800016861.24c5d8@fclass.ei.educ.
  a b.ca>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011117083027.02b3d8d0@pop3.norton.antivirus>

At 02:15 PM 15/11/2001 -0600, Ursula Bachman wrote:
>Could someone please clarify where I would find records for the following
>towns in Poland (please excuse the spelling of the towns):
>
>Boda around 1850
>Zeglof or Ceglow (about 40 miles from Warsaw) around 1853
>Kiciny from 1850 and on
>Borownie 1941
>Rosalin, Kris Wengrow - 1856
>Mlynarze 1856


I could not find Boda or Borownie.  Borownie might be Borowie, about 12 km 
ENE of Garwolin but that is just a guess.

Regrettably you may not find any records (assuming you refer to Lutheran or 
civil records).  The other places are in the parish of either Radzymin or 
Wengrow.  The only known records for Radzymin are for the years 
1846-1849.  Records for Wengrow are reportedly destroyed in WW I.




**Please note new email address**

Jerry Frank - Calgary, Alberta
jkfrank at shaw.ca


From elinorb at gv.net  Sat Nov 17 10:41:42 2001
From: elinorb at gv.net (Elinor Barnes)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 10:41:42 -0800
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] family search
Message-ID: <000e01c16f97$92cf79a0$b068fea9@x8s6h3>

Greetings,
I am trying to find information on my grandparents..Emil Witterman and Pauline
Semke, Br. Didrich who lived in and around Moisejewka and Zhitomir, Volhynia
around the 1900's. Didrich-Semke moved later to Neudorf, Kreis Briesen and
Neuhof, Kreis Flatow, Grenzmark, Germany.  Also info on the Dether family who
lived in Moisejewka . What info I've found is in the book by Don Miller "In
the Midst of Wolves".

Any help much appreciated.

Elinor Dether Barnes
elinorb at gv.net


From vandel at ix.netcom.com  Sat Nov 17 13:22:58 2001
From: vandel at ix.netcom.com (L. VandeBruggen)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 13:22:58 -0800
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Volhynia Adventure Tours
Message-ID: <00b501c16fae$1ac475c0$dbde243f@computer>

I read with interest the discussions related to the different tours to the
Zhitomir region. Prior to these discussions I contacted Katarzynia Grycza and
asked if she would be available to lead me on a personal tour of the same
area. Last year I hired her to take me to the various colonies of my ancestors
from the Pozen area and she made all hotel arrangements, drove her car, was
incredibly knowledgeable and helpful. Her fee was less than what we were
paying to rent a car in Germany.

Unfortunately, she declined but indicated she would be willing to make
arrangements for me to visit the Ukraine and recommend a guide to give us the
same quality of serve she had provided me.

For anyone planning a trip to the Poznan area I highly recommend Kasia, as she
was called at elviska at poczta.onet.pl

L. Vande Bruggen


From abrosz at dgsys.com  Sat Nov 17 15:29:46 2001
From: abrosz at dgsys.com (Allyn Brosz)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 18:29:46 -0500
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] EWZ Collection at US National Archives, College Park
In-Reply-To: <200111172000.fAHK03ox004613@eclipse.sggee.org>
Message-ID: <NDBBKHPDGCBNNAPHJHBAMEFEGAAA.abrosz@dgsys.com>

Joanne,

I'd suggest the following preparation before you make a trip to the National
Archives at College Park (local road signs call this facility "Archives
II").

Hours, Location, Directions can be found at:

http://www.nara.gov/nara/dc/Archives2_directions.html

Be sure to read the information for researchers:

http://www.nara.gov/nara/dc/a2_info.html

For specific information on the EWZ records, which are only a subset of the
Berlin Document Center collection, here are some useful links that
supplement Tom & Jan Stangl's recent message which Jerry Frank reposted some
days ago.

http://pixel.cs.vt.edu/library/berlin.html

http://members.home.net/daveobee/ewzmain.html

http://www.mbconf.ca/mbstudies/historian/98-09/feature-2.html

http://www.genealogienetz.de/reg/DEU/ewz.html

To get an idea of the scope of the entire Berlin Document Center collection,
see this site:

http://www.nara.gov/research/bymedia/berlin2.html

Best Wishes & Happy Researching

Allyn Brosz
Washington, DC
Researching Bessarabian ancestors who lived in Laznow Wola (Groembach)
between 1800 and 1815




> From: JJNLT at aol.com
> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 17:07:39 EST
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Re: EWZ/BDC  Research
>
> << This won't help those out west much, but if you can get to the archives
>  in College Park, MD to do the research, the facilities are great, and
>  the films are shelved where you can get at them yourselves.  You can
>  move through the films relatively quickly. >>
>
>    Where can one find out what is in the College Park archives?
> (I have used
> the ones in DC extensively and hadn't seen the one in College Park
> mentioned.)  I live in the DC metro area and could easily get to
> College Park
> if I knew what to look for when I got there...
>
> Blessings,
>   Joanne


From stein at enel.ucalgary.ca  Sat Nov 17 16:30:43 2001
From: stein at enel.ucalgary.ca (Richard Stein)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 17:30:43 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Zabuzanski Archive
Message-ID: <000801c16fc8$443d60a0$d7f6fea9@1rfy601>

An article in the December 1992 Wondering Volhynians Magazine indicates that
the Zabuzanski Archive in Warsaw contains "Evangelical (Lutheran-Reformed)"
parish registers for Volhynia.  Can anyone confirm this and, if so, what
parishes and what years are in the archive?  Is it Evangelical, Reformed, or
both?
I have obtained records from AGAD for Rozyszcze Parish from the late 1890s and
earlier.  Would they have come from the Zabuzanski?
Thanks for any help.

Dick Stein

Researching Stein, Riske, Kitzmann, Schattschneider, Rachui, Abram, Drews in
Volhynia and Poland


From JSchu9014 at aol.com  Sat Nov 17 20:23:29 2001
From: JSchu9014 at aol.com (JSchu9014 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 23:23:29 EST
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] German Names
Message-ID: <d7.f2ea67d.292891c1@aol.com>

Does anyone know if the name OLGA is considered a shortened version or nick 
name for Ottilie?  Also, is the name ELSA considered a nick name or shorted 
version for something else?  If so, what would the formal name be?
Both of these names were found on the back of an old family picture taken 
around 1891 but can find no trace of these two girls.  Any help will be 
appreciated! Thanks
Janice


From rradke at telus.net  Sat Nov 17 22:12:37 2001
From: rradke at telus.net (Robert Radke)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 22:12:37 -0800
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] German Names
In-Reply-To: <d7.f2ea67d.292891c1@aol.com>
References: <d7.f2ea67d.292891c1@aol.com>
Message-ID: <01111722123702.00866@heptathlon>

Olga is a formal name in its own right, unrelated to Ottilie (English: 
Ophelia).  A variant of Olga would be Helga.
Elsa might be a nick name for Elisabeth.
--Bob Radke


On Saturday 17 November 2001 20:23, JSchu9014 at aol.com wrote:
> Does anyone know if the name OLGA is considered a shortened version or nick
> name for Ottilie?  Also, is the name ELSA considered a nick name or shorted
> version for something else?  If so, what would the formal name be?
> Both of these names were found on the back of an old family picture taken
> around 1891 but can find no trace of these two girls.  Any help will be
> appreciated! Thanks
> Janice
> _______________________________________________
> Ger-Poland-Volhynia mailing list
> Ger-Poland-Volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> http://eclipse.sggee.org/mailman/listinfo/ger-poland-volhynia


From roseingram at shaw.ca  Sat Nov 17 23:41:25 2001
From: roseingram at shaw.ca (Rose Ingram)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 23:41:25 -0800
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Zabuzanski Archive
References: <000801c16fc8$443d60a0$d7f6fea9@1rfy601>
Message-ID: <009001c17004$7442cec0$4b5f5118@ok.shawcable.net>

Dick:

It was brought to my attention just last week that the website for the Polish State Archives has a very intriguing new feature, the SEZAM database.
Enter the name of a parish in the "FOND" field and you can see a list of records that have been entered into the database by various offices.  When the list of records is displayed, you can click CARD file and see which records for are in what Archives. (Sometimes the records are split between two Archives).  This CARD file is new.  
 
 http://www.archiwa.gov.pl/index.eng.html

Perhaps this SEZAM database will answer some of your questions.

Rose Ingram

From: "Richard Stein" Sent: 17 November, 2001 4:30 PM
> An article in the December 1992 Wondering Volhynians Magazine indicates that
> the Zabuzanski Archive in Warsaw contains "Evangelical (Lutheran-Reformed)"
> parish registers for Volhynia.  Can anyone confirm this and, if so, what
> parishes and what years are in the archive?  Is it Evangelical, Reformed, or
> both?
> I have obtained records from AGAD for Rozyszcze Parish from the late 1890s and
> earlier.  Would they have come from the Zabuzanski?
> Thanks for any help.
> 
> Dick Stein
> 
> Researching Stein, Riske, Kitzmann, Schattschneider, Rachui, Abram, Drews in
> Volhynia and Poland


From koehsel at web.de  Mon Nov 19 00:44:18 2001
From: koehsel at web.de (koehsel at web.de)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 09:44:18 +0100
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] EWZ is at LDS!
Message-ID: <200111190844.fAJ8iHk10660@mailgate5.cinetic.de>

Hi,

received personal email confirmation from fhl at ldschurch.org that all EWZ films or at least major part is bought and available through Family History Centers now.

Regards,

Andre
Duisburg, Germany
________________________________________________________________
Keine verlorenen Lotto-Quittungen, keine vergessenen Gewinne mehr! 
Beim WEB.DE Lottoservice: http://tippen2.web.de/?x=13


From Genealdhh at aol.com  Mon Nov 19 13:08:19 2001
From: Genealdhh at aol.com (Genealdhh at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 16:08:19 EST
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Re: Ger-Poland-Volhynia digest, Vol 1 #37 - 1 msg
Message-ID: <118.7ee6400.292acec3@aol.com>

What are EWZ lists and how does one find them on the LDS database?


From roseingram at shaw.ca  Mon Nov 19 14:43:21 2001
From: roseingram at shaw.ca (Rose Ingram)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 14:43:21 -0800
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Re: Ger-Poland-Volhynia digest, Vol 1
  #37 - 1 msg
References: <118.7ee6400.292acec3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c1714b$979513e0$4b5f5118@ok.shawcable.net>

You can find this list on the on-line LDS Library Catalogue at http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHL/frameset_library.asp with some more input, but for your ease, the following URL will take you directly to the search results - and then click 'View Film Notes" and you will see the description for all 1965 films.

http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=730589&disp=Einwandererkartei,_1939-1945&columns=*,180,0

Rose Ingram


From: <Genealdhh at aol.com>
Sent: 19 November, 2001 1:08 PM


> What are EWZ lists and how does one find them on the LDS database?
> _______________________________________________


From dmattis at earthlink.net  Mon Nov 19 15:38:04 2001
From: dmattis at earthlink.net (Dale Mattis)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 18:38:04 -0500
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Krentz and Kelm
References: <01101701390201.00864@heptathlon>
Message-ID: <3BF997DC.DD52F4F3@earthlink.net>

I can't help you with the names you listed, but I have KRENTZ and KELM
in my research (but they're unrelated), so I thought I'd see if you ever
ran across my relatives in your research:

GUSTAV KRENTZ, born 10/5/1894 in Novograd-Volynsk, Volhynia, died
9/9/1986 in Bay County, MI, married 3/6/1926 in Wayne County, MI, to
OTTILIE MIESKE, born 6/24/1904 in Krassalufkia, Volhynia, died 2/6/1984
in Bay County, MI.

ROBERT KELM(KALM), son of PETER KALM, born 1/11/1886 in Korosten
District, Volhynia, died 6/5/1947 in Wetaskiwin, Alberta, Canada,
married ? in Toven, Volhynia, to AMALIA MATTIS, born 6/24/1891 in
Korosten District, Volhynia, died 1/29/1983, in Wetaskiwin, Alberta,
Canada.

Any links?  Thanks.  Dale Mattis

Robert Radke wrote:
> 
> Welcome all to our new mail list!
> 
> Does anyone out there know the location of the village of Franzdorf in
> Volhynia, or anything about it?  This village is given as the birthplace of
> my great aunt Pauline KRENTZ (b. 1879, daughter of Georg KRENTZ and Karoline
> KELM or KOLM) in the record of her marriage to Edward LENTZ in the church
> books of the Moravian Church at South Edmonton.  Jerry Frank's best guess is
> that the village was located somewhere north or north-west of Wolodarsk in
> eastern Volhynia, but cannot pinpoint the village more accurately than this.
> (This location is consistent with other family events, which are recorded at
> Heimthal and Zhitomir.)
> 
> --Robert Radke <rradke at telus.net>
> _______________________________________________
> Ger-Poland-Volhynia mailing list
> Ger-Poland-Volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> http://eclipse.sggee.org/mailman/listinfo/ger-poland-volhynia


From dmattis at earthlink.net  Mon Nov 19 15:58:45 2001
From: dmattis at earthlink.net (Dale Mattis)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 18:58:45 -0500
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] www.wolhynien.de
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011115145503.0248de90@pop3.norton.antivirus>
Message-ID: <3BF99CB5.59A5FF08@earthlink.net>

Jerry, can you post messages to the wolhynien.de bulletin board in
English?  I might be able to puzzle out a message written in German, but
I could never write one, and frankly babelfish and its relatives aren't
as much of a help in composing a message in a foreign language as in
translating a foreign message.

Jerry Frank wrote:
> Since these people or descendants may still be in Germany, you might want
> to try also posting this message on the bulletin board at
> http://www.wolhynien.de      That website is in Germany and probably is
> seen by more German residents.


From dmattis at earthlink.net  Mon Nov 19 16:08:05 2001
From: dmattis at earthlink.net (Dale Mattis)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:08:05 -0500
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Re: ARNDT
References: <d8.ee9261a.292680b1@aol.com>
Message-ID: <3BF99EE5.E8BC1D9E@earthlink.net>

Sorry, I'm having a tough time finding connections with my Arndt's,
which must have been a pretty obscure bunch.  :-)

I don't have Karoline Arndt or Daniel Kramer in my research.

My great-great-grandparents were AUGUST ARNDT and HENRIETTE PAHL (I
believe Henriette's parents were FRIEDRICH PAHL and AUGUSTA KUHN).  I
don't know their birth dates or ages, but their first child was born in
1870 in Walwachowka, Volhynia according to the St. Petersburg
extractions, so they were likely born in the 1840's or early 1850's, and
married late in the 1860's.
 
I have only a few clues about where in Volhynia the family lived. 
According to the St. Petersburg extractions, 2 of their children were
born in Walwachowka, Volhynia, 1 in Slabutkaj, Volhynia.  The emigration
form of one of their granddaughters from the 1920's listed her
birthplace as "Krassalufka, Russia", and her Russian passport shows
"Maximianovka-Rovno" on it.  I have not located these villages yet, and
these are my only clues concerning where the family is from in Volhynia.

Any links?  Thanks.  Dale Mattis

Aydodger at aol.com wrote:
> 
> Hello!
> 
> I read your message on the SGGEE mail list and noticed you are researching
> ARNDT.  I have an ancestor by the name of Karoline ARNDT.  She married Daniel
> Kramer.  It is the Kramers of which I have the most information.  Where are
> your ARNDTs from?
> 
> Cheers,
> Barb


From jkfrank at shaw.ca  Mon Nov 19 16:10:12 2001
From: jkfrank at shaw.ca (Jerry Frank)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 17:10:12 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] www.wolhynien.de
In-Reply-To: <3BF99CB5.59A5FF08@earthlink.net>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011115145503.0248de90@pop3.norton.antivirus>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011119170856.02ac4130@shawmail>

Yes you can.  Depending on the circumstances, the webmaster may add a 
German translation for you.



At 06:58 PM 19/11/2001 -0500, Dale Mattis wrote:
>Jerry, can you post messages to the wolhynien.de bulletin board in
>English?  I might be able to puzzle out a message written in German, but
>I could never write one, and frankly babelfish and its relatives aren't
>as much of a help in composing a message in a foreign language as in
>translating a foreign message.
>
>Jerry Frank wrote:
> > Since these people or descendants may still be in Germany, you might want
> > to try also posting this message on the bulletin board at
> > http://www.wolhynien.de      That website is in Germany and probably is
> > seen by more German residents.






**Please note new email address**

Jerry Frank - Calgary, Alberta
jkfrank at shaw.ca


From udostrobel at surfeu.de  Tue Nov 20 05:30:14 2001
From: udostrobel at surfeu.de (Hans-Udo Strobel)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 14:30:14 +0100
Subject: Fw: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Re: ARNDT
Message-ID: <000201c171e2$67f14fe0$e548433e@oemcomputer>

Hello Dale,

I have Johann Christian ARNDT in my family tree. He was born about 1822 in
Wieloleka/PL oo  6.11.1842 in Stawiszyn Anna Dorothea Zachai, wid.
Kedzierski.
Furthermore I have Leokadia Lorentz, married Keuler, widowed PAHL *>1895 in
Swiecia/Konin. Perhaps you can use these informations sometime.

Regards from Germany,

Edelgard

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dale Mattis" <dmattis at earthlink.net>
To: <Aydodger at aol.com>; "SGGEE List" <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 1:08 AM
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Re: ARNDT


> Sorry, I'm having a tough time finding connections with my Arndt's,
> which must have been a pretty obscure bunch.  :-)
>
> I don't have Karoline Arndt or Daniel Kramer in my research.
>
> My great-great-grandparents were AUGUST ARNDT and HENRIETTE PAHL (I
> believe Henriette's parents were FRIEDRICH PAHL and AUGUSTA KUHN).  I
> don't know their birth dates or ages, but their first child was born in
> 1870 in Walwachowka, Volhynia according to the St. Petersburg
> extractions, so they were likely born in the 1840's or early 1850's, and
> married late in the 1860's.
>
> I have only a few clues about where in Volhynia the family lived.
> According to the St. Petersburg extractions, 2 of their children were
> born in Walwachowka, Volhynia, 1 in Slabutkaj, Volhynia.  The emigration
> form of one of their granddaughters from the 1920's listed her
> birthplace as "Krassalufka, Russia", and her Russian passport shows
> "Maximianovka-Rovno" on it.  I have not located these villages yet, and
> these are my only clues concerning where the family is from in Volhynia.
>
> Any links?  Thanks.  Dale Mattis
>
> Aydodger at aol.com wrote:
> >
> > Hello!
> >
> > I read your message on the SGGEE mail list and noticed you are
researching
> > ARNDT.  I have an ancestor by the name of Karoline ARNDT.  She married
Daniel
> > Kramer.  It is the Kramers of which I have the most information.  Where
are
> > your ARNDTs from?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Barb
> _______________________________________________
> Ger-Poland-Volhynia mailing list
> Ger-Poland-Volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> http://eclipse.sggee.org/mailman/listinfo/ger-poland-volhynia


From JJNLT at aol.com  Tue Nov 20 21:44:50 2001
From: JJNLT at aol.com (JJNLT at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 00:44:50 EST
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Re: EWZ Collection at US National Archives, College Park
Message-ID: <6c.135efe21.292c9952@aol.com>

Allyn,
<< here are some useful links that
 supplement Tom & Jan Stangl's recent message which Jerry Frank reposted some
 days ago. >>

   Thank you SO much for reposting this information (and also to the others 
who reposted information or privately emailed me).  I had been out of town 
and missed the original posts, so the kind and patient help meant a lot.

Blessings,
  Joanne


From lloydfriedrick at telus.net  Wed Nov 21 12:35:38 2001
From: lloydfriedrick at telus.net (Lloyd Friedrick)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 12:35:38 -0800
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Now searching for Hartmann
Message-ID: <004701c172cc$85f4eac0$02000003@telus.net>

You have probably heard the old saying about the dog "barking up the wrong
tree"

Well, that what I have been doing! My grand father is listed in the St
Petersburg files

as  Konrad Hartmann FRIEDRICH born 1841
  father Hartmann Friedrich  mother Caroline KUPFERSTEIN

In review I have discovered that his siblings were registered with the surname
HARTMANN
and that on some other documents my G-Grandfather is listed as Friedrich
Hartmann.
so it appears that there is bit of a name reversal here.

Now, I am seeking anyone who may have any connection to my fathers siblings

Maria HARTMANN    born 20 June 1852          in Dubno
Pauline    ""                born 28 July 1855            in Dubno
Amalie     ""                 born 16 March 1858        in Dubno


Lloyd Friedrick  on    Vancouver Island  in   British Columbia


From jkfrank at shaw.ca  Wed Nov 21 13:12:18 2001
From: jkfrank at shaw.ca (Jerry Frank)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 14:12:18 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Now searching for Hartmann
In-Reply-To: <004701c172cc$85f4eac0$02000003@telus.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011121141033.02496ad8@shawmail>

Were they registered incorrectly based on your review of the original 
microfilms or were they extracted incorrectly based on the online 
extractions at Pixel?




At 12:35 PM 21/11/2001 -0800, Lloyd Friedrick wrote:
>You have probably heard the old saying about the dog "barking up the wrong
>tree"
>
>Well, that what I have been doing! My grand father is listed in the St
>Petersburg files
>
>as  Konrad Hartmann FRIEDRICH born 1841
>   father Hartmann Friedrich  mother Caroline KUPFERSTEIN
>
>In review I have discovered that his siblings were registered with the surname
>HARTMANN
>and that on some other documents my G-Grandfather is listed as Friedrich
>Hartmann.
>so it appears that there is bit of a name reversal here.
>
>Now, I am seeking anyone who may have any connection to my fathers siblings
>
>Maria HARTMANN    born 20 June 1852          in Dubno
>Pauline    ""                born 28 July 1855            in Dubno
>Amalie     ""                 born 16 March 1858        in Dubno
>
>

**Please note new email address**

Jerry Frank - Calgary, Alberta
jkfrank at shaw.ca


From dmattis at earthlink.net  Wed Nov 21 15:08:56 2001
From: dmattis at earthlink.net (Dale Mattis)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 18:08:56 -0500
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Re: [GERmanRUSsian] Bay County, Michigan
References: <1070.216.187.158.66.1006347342.squirrel@mail.nwinfo.net>
Message-ID: <3BFC3408.24619541@earthlink.net>

It is my understanding there were a few veins of coal back then.  I
don't think there is currently mining there.

jenkinsgen at nwinfo.net wrote:
> 
> Hi Listers,
> 
> I have another quick question about Bay County. What was mined in Bay
> County.  I noticed a number of G-R's that listed their occupation as miner
> but not what they mined.  Just wondering.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Gene Jenkins
> Selah, WA.
> 
> ==== GermanRussian Mailing List ====
> A virus that is distributed as an attachment will not reach you through this RootsWeb mailing list.


From dmattis at earthlink.net  Wed Nov 21 15:13:09 2001
From: dmattis at earthlink.net (Dale Mattis)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 18:13:09 -0500
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Re: [GERmanRUSsian] Bay County, Michigan
References: <1070.216.187.158.66.1006347342.squirrel@mail.nwinfo.net>
  <3BFC3408.24619541@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <3BFC3505.7A6FFE1D@earthlink.net>

Sorry, gang, wrong list.  Dale

Dale Mattis wrote:
> 
> It is my understanding there were a few veins of coal back then.  I
> don't think there is currently mining there.
> 
> jenkinsgen at nwinfo.net wrote:
> >
> > Hi Listers,
> >
> > I have another quick question about Bay County. What was mined in Bay
> > County.  I noticed a number of G-R's that listed their occupation as miner
> > but not what they mined.  Just wondering.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Gene Jenkins
> > Selah, WA.
> >
> > ==== GermanRussian Mailing List ====
> > A virus that is distributed as an attachment will not reach you through this RootsWeb mailing list.


From colnels at shaw.ca  Wed Nov 21 08:40:11 2001
From: colnels at shaw.ca (Nelson)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 09:40:11 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Family Tree Maker
Message-ID: <001201c172ab$3026d570$a36b4118@THEMACHINE>

I have purchased a new computer and installed my 7.0 program. I had made backups (floppies) from my old computer program. How do I install these backups into the new computer? Anybody have any ideas?
Nelson


From dmattis at earthlink.net  Thu Nov 22 04:05:24 2001
From: dmattis at earthlink.net (Dale Mattis)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 07:05:24 -0500
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Re: ARNDT
References: <71.161f7244.292d9899@aol.com>
Message-ID: <3BFCEA04.62431A5A@earthlink.net>

No problem.  SGGEE is the society primarily focused on Germans from
Volhynia and Poland, that sponsors the new mailing list
ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org.  You can see their site at
www.sggee.org.  They keep a surname list.

AHSGR is the American Historical Society of Germans from Russia in
Lincoln Nebraska.  There site is at www.ahsgr.org.  They also keep a
surname list.  Many of there members are Volga Germans, but there are
folks from other areas.

Good hunting!

Aydodger at aol.com wrote:
> 
> Hi Dale,
> 
> Sorry to keep bugging you with my daily emails to you!  But you know what
> it's like with geneaology...
> 
> I am trying to find the Arndt researchers on SGGEE and would like to write
> them with my info.  What is the AHSGR you mentioned?
> 
> Barb
> >  Nope, sorry.  I'll keep your note on file in case I find a link later.
> >
> >  Don't hesitate to post these additional names on the mailing list -
> >  there are several Arndt researchers in SGGEE and in AHSGR.
> >
> >  Thanks.  Good hunting!


From lloydfriedrick at telus.net  Thu Nov 22 10:22:51 2001
From: lloydfriedrick at telus.net (Lloyd Friedrick)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 10:22:51 -0800
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] FTM version 7
Message-ID: <004001c17382$d7750e00$02000003@telus.net>

Is anyone running into compatibility problems with Family Tree Maker when
installing the new version Microsoft XP ?

Lloyd Friedrick  on    Vancouver Island  in   British Columbia


From krushelh at cadvision.com  Thu Nov 22 17:28:03 2001
From: krushelh at cadvision.com (Howard Krushel)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 18:28:03 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Zabuzanski Archive
References: <000801c16fc8$443d60a0$d7f6fea9@1rfy601>
Message-ID: <000d01c173be$1e975820$758894cf@howardkrushel>

Dick:
The 3 former Polish Volhynian Parish records of the Evengelical Lutheran
church are located in the main Warsaw Archive (AGAD) and the Zabuzanski
collection. The following is a list of what is found distributed between the
2 locations:
Wladimir Volhynsk: Births-1891-1892, 1915-1922, 1925-1939; Marr-
1891-1894,1907,1915-1936; Deaths-1914-1939(only indexes)
Lutsk: 1899-1939(only indexes)
Rozyszcze-Marr.- 1862-1894, 1900-1939(indexes);1902, 1910-1918;
births- 1857-1939(years 1857-1861 and  1895-1939 only indexes);deaths-
1862-1894,1915-1939(only indexes)
 In addition there are a number of  village Cantor books, the preponderance
of which were in the Wlad. Vol. Parish.
In the evolution of the parishes in this region, Rozyszcze started in 1861;
Wlad. Vol. broke off in 1891 and Lutsk, in the southern section of the
region, formed a separate parish in 1899. Tortschin and Kowel formed  after
1918.
Howard Krushel
krushelh at cadvision.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Stein <stein at enel.ucalgary.ca>
To: <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 5:30 PM
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Zabuzanski Archive


> An article in the December 1992 Wondering Volhynians Magazine indicates
that
> the Zabuzanski Archive in Warsaw contains "Evangelical
(Lutheran-Reformed)"
> parish registers for Volhynia.  Can anyone confirm this and, if so, what
> parishes and what years are in the archive?  Is it Evangelical, Reformed,
or
> both?
> I have obtained records from AGAD for Rozyszcze Parish from the late 1890s
and
> earlier.  Would they have come from the Zabuzanski?
> Thanks for any help.
>
> Dick Stein
>
> Researching Stein, Riske, Kitzmann, Schattschneider, Rachui, Abram, Drews
in
> Volhynia and Poland
> _______________________________________________
> Ger-Poland-Volhynia mailing list
> Ger-Poland-Volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> http://eclipse.sggee.org/mailman/listinfo/ger-poland-volhynia


From rradke at telus.net  Thu Nov 22 20:12:15 2001
From: rradke at telus.net (Robert Radke)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 20:12:15 -0800
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] FTM version 7
In-Reply-To: <004001c17382$d7750e00$02000003@telus.net>
References: <004001c17382$d7750e00$02000003@telus.net>
Message-ID: <01112220121500.00866@heptathlon>

I have heard that a number of programs will not run unless they have "admin" 
privileges on XP (i.e. they will not run in an "ordinary user" account)  
Perhaps Family Tree Maker is one such?  There have been a number of folk 
complaining about this, particularly for some game software.  It looks like a 
deliberate ploy to "encourage" people to buy new versions of their software.

The problem lies in the installation script for the program requiring  
certain "rights".  If this is the problem, there is nothing you can do about 
it, except commit the security no-no of running the program in an 
administrator account or get the new version that addresses the problem when 
it comes out. 

--Bob Radke

On Thursday 22 November 2001 10:22, Lloyd Friedrick wrote:
> Is anyone running into compatibility problems with Family Tree Maker when
> installing the new version Microsoft XP ?
>
> Lloyd Friedrick  on    Vancouver Island  in   British Columbia
> _______________________________________________
> Ger-Poland-Volhynia mailing list
> Ger-Poland-Volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> http://eclipse.sggee.org/mailman/listinfo/ger-poland-volhynia


From GPVListAdmin at sggee.org  Fri Nov 23 04:41:04 2001
From: GPVListAdmin at sggee.org (Jerry Frank)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 05:41:04 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Housekeeping - About digest mode
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011123053740.02b219a8@pop3.norton.antivirus>

Apparently some of you are receiving messages in digest mode without 
knowing it.

Digest mode saves all the messages submitted for an entire day and sends 
them out to you once a day in a packet.  This means that you will often see 
the original question with one or more answers already in place or it may 
even appear that the answer comes before the question.

If you want to receive the messages and answers as they are sent, then you 
need to turn OFF digest mode in your personal settings.

There are one of two ways to do this.

1.  Open up the original confirmation message that was sent to you OR the 
password reminder message that you will receive once a month.  After the 
sentence, "If you ever want to unsubscribe or change your options", you 
will see a link.  Click on it to get to your personal options page.  Page 
down to the "Options" section.  In the box, "Set digest mode", click the 
"Off" button.  Enter your password at the bottom and click "Submit My 
Changes".  Done.

OR

2.  Go to 
http://eclipse.sggee.org/mailman/listinfo/ger-poland-volhynia   Page down 
to near the bottom, enter your email address, and click "Edit 
Options".  Page down to the "Options" section.  In the box, "Set digest 
mode", click the "Off" button.  Enter your password at the bottom and click 
"Submit My Changes".  Done.

Note that you may receive one last digest mode mailing on the day you make 
the change.  The next day you will be switched to regular mail mode.


Jerry Frank - List Administrator for [Ger-Poland-Volhynia]
GPVListAdmin at sggee.org
http://www.sggee.org/listserv.html


From benovich at montanadsl.net  Fri Nov 23 15:27:45 2001
From: benovich at montanadsl.net ( Richard Benert)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 18:27:45 -0500
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Zabuzanski Archive
Message-ID: <00de01c17484$c04f1d80$82b0a6d8@oemcomputer>

Howard,

I have a question regarding the info you sent on the Wlad. Wol. Lutheran
parish records.  I notice that for both the birth and marriage records there
was a huge gap between 1892 and, of all years, 1915!  It was in 1915 that, I
should think, most of the congregations were expelled to Siberia or
wherever.  How does one explain (A) the lack of records after 1892 or 1894
and (B) their reappearance in 1915, a most unlikely year for records to have
been kept at all?  I also notice that death records only begin in 1914.
Surely earlier ones were lost.  But again, isn't it odd that after 1914 they
were saved?  A similar pattern exists for the Rozy. death records--a gap
between 1894 and 1915, though not for the other types.  Such gaps are not
surprising, of course, in an area where wars and turmoil have abounded.
Records get lost and destroyed.  It's just that 1915 should have been a year
when records disappeared, if anything.  Any suggestions??

Dick
>Wladimir Volhynsk: Births-1891-1892, 1915-1922, 1925-1939; Marr-
>1891-1894,1907,1915-1936; Deaths-1914-1939(only indexes)
>Lutsk: 1899-1939(only indexes)
>Rozyszcze-Marr.- 1862-1894, 1900-1939(indexes);1902, 1910-1918;
>births- 1857-1939(years 1857-1861 and  1895-1939 only indexes);deaths-
>1862-1894,1915-1939(only indexes)
> In addition there are a number of  village Cantor books, the preponderance
>of which were in the Wlad. Vol. Parish.
>In the evolution of the parishes in this region, Rozyszcze started in 1861;
>Wlad. Vol. broke off in 1891 and Lutsk, in the southern section of the
>region, formed a separate parish in 1899. Tortschin and Kowel formed  after
>1918.
>Howard Krushel
>krushelh at cadvision.com
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Richard Stein <stein at enel.ucalgary.ca>
>To: <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
>Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 5:30 PM
>Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Zabuzanski Archive
>
>
>> An article in the December 1992 Wondering Volhynians Magazine indicates
>that
>> the Zabuzanski Archive in Warsaw contains "Evangelical
>(Lutheran-Reformed)"
>> parish registers for Volhynia.  Can anyone confirm this and, if so, what
>> parishes and what years are in the archive?  Is it Evangelical, Reformed,
>or
>> both?
>> I have obtained records from AGAD for Rozyszcze Parish from the late
1890s
>and
>> earlier.  Would they have come from the Zabuzanski?
>> Thanks for any help.
>>
>> Dick Stein
>>
>> Researching Stein, Riske, Kitzmann, Schattschneider, Rachui, Abram, Drews
>in
>> Volhynia and Poland
>> _______________________________________________
>> Ger-Poland-Volhynia mailing list
>> Ger-Poland-Volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
>> http://eclipse.sggee.org/mailman/listinfo/ger-poland-volhynia
>_______________________________________________
>Ger-Poland-Volhynia mailing list
>Ger-Poland-Volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
>http://eclipse.sggee.org/mailman/listinfo/ger-poland-volhynia


From rrohn at mb.sympatico.ca  Fri Nov 23 07:02:13 2001
From: rrohn at mb.sympatico.ca (RRR)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 09:02:13 -0600
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] FTM version 7
References: <004001c17382$d7750e00$02000003@telus.net>
Message-ID: <000001c174a2$599649b0$cc5c82d8@richard>

Lloyd
I am still running FTM on my old machine, what have you found?
I had problems with a game, and found you can set compatibility to a
previous windows op system by right click on the program and choosing the
compatibility tab. Graphics is also selectable.

Regards
Richard
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lloyd Friedrick" <lloydfriedrick at telus.net>
To: <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 12:22 PM
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] FTM version 7


> Is anyone running into compatibility problems with Family Tree Maker when
> installing the new version Microsoft XP ?
>
> Lloyd Friedrick  on    Vancouver Island  in   British Columbia
> _______________________________________________
> Ger-Poland-Volhynia mailing list
> Ger-Poland-Volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> http://eclipse.sggee.org/mailman/listinfo/ger-poland-volhynia


From krushelh at cadvision.com  Fri Nov 23 21:30:58 2001
From: krushelh at cadvision.com (Howard Krushel)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 22:30:58 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Zabuzanski Archive
References: <00de01c17484$c04f1d80$82b0a6d8@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <006201c174a9$3342dec0$648c94cf@howardkrushel>

Richard:
Those are good questions but I have no answers; it seems that invariably
there will be gaps in Volhynian records; a jigsaw puzzle with some pieces
normally missing; if you get enough of the puzzle pieces you may be able to
visualize the missing parts. At times it does appear that some of the
information missing from Warsaw can be found in the Archives in Volhynia but
I am not entirely sure of this supposition at this point in time. Most of
the post 1900 Lutheran church records are in the Volhynian Archives or the
provincial Civil registrars office. The pre 1900 records are not as common
and do have numerous gaps.
Howard Krushel
krushelh at cadvision.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Benert <benovich at montanadsl.net>
To: Howard Krushel <krushelh at cadvision.com>; Richard Stein
<stein at enel.ucalgary.ca>; <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2001 4:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Zabuzanski Archive


> Howard,
>
> I have a question regarding the info you sent on the Wlad. Wol. Lutheran
> parish records.  I notice that for both the birth and marriage records
there
> was a huge gap between 1892 and, of all years, 1915!  It was in 1915 that,
I
> should think, most of the congregations were expelled to Siberia or
> wherever.  How does one explain (A) the lack of records after 1892 or 1894
> and (B) their reappearance in 1915, a most unlikely year for records to
have
> been kept at all?  I also notice that death records only begin in 1914.
> Surely earlier ones were lost.  But again, isn't it odd that after 1914
they
> were saved?  A similar pattern exists for the Rozy. death records--a gap
> between 1894 and 1915, though not for the other types.  Such gaps are not
> surprising, of course, in an area where wars and turmoil have abounded.
> Records get lost and destroyed.  It's just that 1915 should have been a
year
> when records disappeared, if anything.  Any suggestions??
>
> Dick
> >Wladimir Volhynsk: Births-1891-1892, 1915-1922, 1925-1939; Marr-
> >1891-1894,1907,1915-1936; Deaths-1914-1939(only indexes)
> >Lutsk: 1899-1939(only indexes)
> >Rozyszcze-Marr.- 1862-1894, 1900-1939(indexes);1902, 1910-1918;
> >births- 1857-1939(years 1857-1861 and  1895-1939 only indexes);deaths-
> >1862-1894,1915-1939(only indexes)
> > In addition there are a number of  village Cantor books, the
preponderance
> >of which were in the Wlad. Vol. Parish.
> >In the evolution of the parishes in this region, Rozyszcze started in
1861;
> >Wlad. Vol. broke off in 1891 and Lutsk, in the southern section of the
> >region, formed a separate parish in 1899. Tortschin and Kowel formed
after
> >1918.
> >Howard Krushel
> >krushelh at cadvision.com
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Richard Stein <stein at enel.ucalgary.ca>
> >To: <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
> >Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 5:30 PM
> >Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Zabuzanski Archive


From mail at reiner-kerp.de  Sat Nov 24 09:21:07 2001
From: mail at reiner-kerp.de (Reiner Kerp)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 18:21:07 +0100
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] introduction
Message-ID: <000b01c1750c$707ecca0$99bc06d5@proline>

Hello, fellow searchers.
As it takes too long waiting until I4ve completed reading the archiv of your
list, I already now want to introduce myself.
I4m Reiner Kerp, born in 1943 at Bergisch Gladbach near Cologne. Me and my
wife Ingrid nee Grohnert are living in Bavaria, southern Germany. We have
two daughters, a son and two grandchilds.
Since I4m retired some years ago, from being a soldier in the German Air
Force, I have time enough for my hobby: Genealogy. Searching for my own
ancestors is very easy because everthing is reachable (see
http://reiner-kerp.de). The search for my wifes ancestors is difficult. She
was born at Ko:nigsberg/Prussia which now belongs to Russia. Because of WW
II she didn4t only loose her father but her homeland as well. Surprisingly
many of the older church-records of East-Prussia are saved on LDS-films.
Nevertheless search still is difficult.
I4ve joined this list because I4m hoping for help on the search of my
mother-in-laws ancestors. She, Else nee PEPEL was born in 1913 at Zdunska
Wola near Lodz (Poland). Her father came there after 1886 from Rudzk Wielki
near Sompolno (Poland, but Russia at that time) with his parents and two
brothers. The family was evicted from Poland in 1911. Elses parents tried to
stay, but had to flee on start of WW I. While the others found the right way
to west, my wifes grandparents took the wrong way to East-Prussia, running
completely into theWW II desaster.
Starting my search with no knowledge in Polish or Russian at Sompolno, I
found just a desert. No entries could be found in the IGI. So first, I tried
to learn the needed Polish words. This was and is very, very hard. Thinking
about how others could take advantage of my work, I copied a big, big number
of records. When I begun to transcribe the records, I learned from my fellow
searcher Art Lauf (Edmonton), that Al Muth already had done everthing I
planned. As being no member of the
S G G E E, unreachable for me (my budget for genealogy is limited).
Nevertheless, if somebody wants scans of the marriage-records of the
Sompolno-parish between 1840 and ca. 1862, I4d gladly provide.


kind regards,

Reiner


mail at reiner-kerp.de


P.S.: GEDCOM follows later


From glennfrank at earthlink.net  Sat Nov 24 12:17:49 2001
From: glennfrank at earthlink.net (Glenn Frank)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 12:17:49 -0800
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] town of "Teronine"? German Baptists in Poland
Message-ID: <3C000059.AACCBE96@earthlink.net>

Has anyone heard of the town or settlement named "Teronine" in Poland?
Is it by chance anywhere near Lodz?

My father found the name of that town in a book he has, which is entitled, "History of
German Baptists in Poland" by Robert Kluttige.

I am also looking for a copy of this book in English... the copy my father has is in
German, which he can read, but it would be nice to have an english version. Does anyone
know of this book?

Most of the ancestors I am looking for in Poland were associated with the "German Baptist"
denomination, which was fairly rare and persecuted by the Catholic church as the Lutherans
were... is there anyone else on this list who has researched the German Baptists. I am
looking for advice on researching them.

Glenn Frank
glennfrank at earthlink.net
=====================================================
Genealogy Website
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~frankbarton


From dnmiller at whiz.to  Sat Nov 24 12:48:13 2001
From: dnmiller at whiz.to (Don Miller)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 12:48:13 -0800
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] town of "Teronine"? German Baptists
  in Poland
In-Reply-To: <3C000059.AACCBE96@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <MDENLHNJGOJPEMCINENEMEFMCBAA.dnmiller@whiz.to>

Glenn

The book by Kluttig, "History of German Baptists in Poland" has not been
translated into English.  Sorry.

Don Miller


From jkfrank at shaw.ca  Sat Nov 24 15:05:54 2001
From: jkfrank at shaw.ca (Jerry Frank)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 16:05:54 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] town of "Teronine"? German Baptists
  in Poland
In-Reply-To: <3C000059.AACCBE96@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011124160125.022ba0f0@shawmail>

At 12:17 PM 24/11/2001 -0800, Glenn Frank wrote:
>Has anyone heard of the town or settlement named "Teronine" in Poland?
>Is it by chance anywhere near Lodz?

Yes it is.  It appears on my map as Terenin and is located about 4 km SSW 
of Pabianice.

>Most of the ancestors I am looking for in Poland were associated with the 
>"German Baptist"
>denomination, which was fairly rare and persecuted by the Catholic church 
>as the Lutherans
>were... is there anyone else on this list who has researched the German 
>Baptists. I am
>looking for advice on researching them.

Keep in mind 2 things.  The first is - when did they become Baptist?  You 
may in fact find early records in the Lutheran Church.

Also, only certain churches were authorized to collect civil records on 
behalf of the government.  Therefore you may find their b/m/d registrations 
at the nearest Catholic or Lutheran Church.




Jerry Frank - Calgary, Alberta
jkfrank at shaw.ca


From jmarsch at t2.net  Sat Nov 24 16:52:14 2001
From: jmarsch at t2.net (John Marsch)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 18:52:14 -0600
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] introduction
Message-ID: <002c01c17554$d8a6d780$b99eaed8@4504>

Hallo Reiner:
    There are several Pepel names in the SGGEE Pedigree Database and I have
found several Pipel names in the Lodz Trinity records I am presently working
on.
    Can you provide more details regarding "given names" or "first names"
which would help to select the names which are of interest to you.
    The Pedigree Database is steadily getting larger and it would be to your
benefit if you could see your way to become a member of SGGEE which would
allow you access at all times.

John Marsch

-------------------------------------------




>Hello, fellow searchers.
>As it takes too long waiting until I4ve completed reading the archiv of
your
>list, I already now want to introduce myself.
>I4m Reiner Kerp, born in 1943 at Bergisch Gladbach near Cologne. Me and my
>wife Ingrid nee Grohnert are living in Bavaria, southern Germany. We have
>two daughters, a son and two grandchilds.
>Since I4m retired some years ago, from being a soldier in the German Air
>Force, I have time enough for my hobby: Genealogy. Searching for my own
>ancestors is very easy because everthing is reachable (see
>http://reiner-kerp.de). The search for my wifes ancestors is difficult. She
>was born at Ko:nigsberg/Prussia which now belongs to Russia. Because of WW
>II she didn4t only loose her father but her homeland as well. Surprisingly
>many of the older church-records of East-Prussia are saved on LDS-films.
>Nevertheless search still is difficult.
>I4ve joined this list because I4m hoping for help on the search of my
>mother-in-laws ancestors. She, Else nee PEPEL was born in 1913 at Zdunska
>Wola near Lodz (Poland). Her father came there after 1886 from Rudzk Wielki
>near Sompolno (Poland, but Russia at that time) with his parents and two
>brothers. The family was evicted from Poland in 1911. Elses parents tried
to
>stay, but had to flee on start of WW I. While the others found the right
way
>to west, my wifes grandparents took the wrong way to East-Prussia, running
>completely into theWW II desaster.
>Starting my search with no knowledge in Polish or Russian at Sompolno, I
>found just a desert. No entries could be found in the IGI. So first, I
tried
>to learn the needed Polish words. This was and is very, very hard. Thinking
>about how others could take advantage of my work, I copied a big, big
number
>of records. When I begun to transcribe the records, I learned from my
fellow
>searcher Art Lauf (Edmonton), that Al Muth already had done everthing I
>planned. As being no member of the
>S G G E E, unreachable for me (my budget for genealogy is limited).
>Nevertheless, if somebody wants scans of the marriage-records of the
>Sompolno-parish between 1840 and ca. 1862, I4d gladly provide.
>
>
>kind regards,
>
>Reiner
>
>
>mail at reiner-kerp.de
>
>
>P.S.: GEDCOM follows later
>_______________________________________________
>Ger-Poland-Volhynia mailing list
>Ger-Poland-Volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
>http://eclipse.sggee.org/mailman/listinfo/ger-poland-volhynia


From gerhard.koenig at eds.com  Sun Nov 25 14:11:09 2001
From: gerhard.koenig at eds.com (Koenig, Gerhard)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 22:11:09 -0000
Subject: AW: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] German Names
Message-ID: <358B930D5C31D4119BF30020AFFC14A9014CE0A3@es160299.ws.ru.de.
  eds.com>

Hallo Janice,

OLGA - is a normaly russian name - in my russian dictionary I can4t find
other versions from this name.
ELSA - can be a nick name in the german language - also ELSE, ELLI or ELLIE
- the complete name is ELISABETH or ELSBETH.

Regards Gerhard


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> Gesendet am:	Sonntag, 18. November 2001 05:23
> An:	ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Betreff:	[Ger-Poland-Volhynia] German Names
> 
> Does anyone know if the name OLGA is considered a shortened version or
> nick 
> name for Ottilie?  Also, is the name ELSA considered a nick name or
> shorted 
> version for something else?  If so, what would the formal name be?
> Both of these names were found on the back of an old family picture taken 
> around 1891 but can find no trace of these two girls.  Any help will be 
> appreciated! Thanks
> Janice
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From gps444 at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 25 21:19:46 2001
From: gps444 at yahoo.com (greg swanson)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 21:19:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia]
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20011115145503.0248de90@pop3.norton.antivirus>
Message-ID: <20011126051946.47902.qmail@web13603.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear fellow East European German Desendents-

  I've been on the list for a while and have been
waiting not wanting to ask too many newby stupid
questions. Well, the time has come.

1) Wat area exactly does Volhynia cover. After reading
all the web pages, etc, I still can't figure it out.
Looks like it's Russia or at least the area East of
Congress Poland.

2) Could someone recommend a good book on the German
settlement of Poland? My family tradition is that our
family (at least some) left Germany around 1800 to
avoid being conscripted into Napolean's army.

3) I went to the genealogy library. What few records I
could find were in Polish. It appears therefore that
the parish records were actually civil records.
Otherwise I would have expected the German chuches to
do their records in their native language.

4) People and places which I am searching:

   Tepper(Teper,Tepfer)in Feliksow, Turek, Pudlow
   Kujat  in Dombrofka, Turek, Josefow
   Kryger (Kruger) in ?
   Czernig (Sharnik) in ?, Turek
   Hering      in ?
   Radtke
   Schaedler (Schadler)
   Hass   in Kowalwewko
   Wendt in ?

Thanks for your indulgence.

Greg Swanson

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From stein at enel.ucalgary.ca  Sun Nov 25 21:48:06 2001
From: stein at enel.ucalgary.ca (Richard Stein)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 22:48:06 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Warsaw archives/Volhynian church register books
Message-ID: <NEBBKIJDALPIILEHBKEDCEHICBAA.stein@enel.ucalgary.ca>

I recently sent a request in Polish to the Naczelna Dyrekcja Archiwow
Panstwowych in Warsaw for Rozyszcze Parish birth and marriage records and
received the following reply:
_____________
In response to your letter dated 20.10. of the current year re: search for
civil records, the Main Center of Archival Information would kindly like to
inform you that all the archival materials [in Poland] are stored according
to
their areal affiliation. In the Polish state archives no records are
preserved
for the locations mentioned in your request. According to the fact the
Wolynia
belongs now to the territory of the Ukraine, we suggest that you direct your
search to their archives there. The address is:

Archiwum Panstwowe Obwodu Wolynskiego
ul. Weteranow 21
43024 Luck
Ukraina

signed:  p.o. DYREKTORA, Centrainego Osrodka Informacji Archiwalnej, dr.
Anna Laszuk
_______________

With four other similar requests in the last two years, I received all the
records I specified.  I find it hard to believe that the Volhynia church
record books have been transferred to Ukraine in the last six months.  Did I
have the bad luck to have my request directed to someone who didn't know
that materials from the former Polish Volhynia are held by the archive in
Warsaw?

Can anyone shed some light on this situation?

Dick Stein


From jkfrank at shaw.ca  Sun Nov 25 22:27:47 2001
From: jkfrank at shaw.ca (Jerry Frank)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 23:27:47 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Some general questions
In-Reply-To: <20011126051946.47902.qmail@web13603.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011115145503.0248de90@pop3.norton.antivirus>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011125230647.02270490@shawmail>

At 09:19 PM 25/11/2001 -0800, greg swanson wrote:

>1) Wat area exactly does Volhynia cover. After reading
>all the web pages, etc, I still can't figure it out.
>Looks like it's Russia or at least the area East of
>Congress Poland.

Volhynia historically was the northwestern most province of Ukraine 
extending eastward from the Polish border almost to Kiev.  Today the region 
is made up of 3 provinces, Volhyn, Rowno, and Zhitomir.  Prior to the 
partitions of Poland, it was part of Poland, then Russia, and between the 
WW it was split in two with the western part in Poland and the eastern in 
Russia.  Probably 75% or more of all Germans in Volhynia had origins in 
Russian (Congress) Poland so there are many strong family ties between the 
two.  About 200,000 Germans lived there around 1900 with most migrating to 
Volhynia after the second Polish rebellion of 1861.


>2) Could someone recommend a good book on the German
>settlement of Poland? My family tradition is that our
>family (at least some) left Germany around 1800 to
>avoid being conscripted into Napolean's army.

There are several in German but none that I know of in English.  I have 
been working on writing one but it is difficult because of the need to 
translate German language resource material.  The only way to get bits and 
pieces is from back issues of Wandering Volhynians magazine (no longer 
being published) or from the currently published SGGEE Journal.  If you can 
read German, a good start might be Die Deutschen in Polen seit der 
Reformation by Oskar Eugen Kossmann.

There is some potential truth to the conscription story except that it 
wouldn't have lasted long as Napoleon captured what is now central Poland 
and created the Duchy of Warsaw in 1806.  It is my contention that most 
migration took place for economic reasons and that stories of evading 
military service and religious persecution tend to be altruistic adding 
colour to an otherwise ordinary history.


>3) I went to the genealogy library. What few records I
>could find were in Polish. It appears therefore that
>the parish records were actually civil records.
>Otherwise I would have expected the German chuches to
>do their records in their native language.


This is correct.  The churches as authorized by the government, collected 
the civil records.  The only parish I know of with available records in 
German is Ilow.




Jerry Frank - Calgary, Alberta
jkfrank at shaw.ca


From dnmiller at whiz.to  Mon Nov 26 09:11:58 2001
From: dnmiller at whiz.to (Don Miller)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 09:11:58 -0800
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] (no subject)
Message-ID: <MDENLHNJGOJPEMCINENEMEGBCBAA.dnmiller@whiz.to>

DENTISTS NEEDED FOR UKRAINE MISSION

Do you know of a dentist  who would be interested in going to Volhynia,
Ukraine July 7-22, 2002 as a volunteer on a Mission Tour?  Each year we send
teams of dentists to the formerly German villages in the Zhitomir region to
assist the people with their dental needs.  Most villages don't own a tooth
brush, nor have they been to a dentist, simply because they can't afford it.
For more information about our annual mission tours, go to our web page:
http://inthemidstofwolves.com and click on Mission Reports.  Also, if you
click on the icon Missions, it will give you a brief overview of the
costs/format, etc. of our humanitarian efforts.

Don Miller
Mission Tour Coordinator


From mark at amtmedia.com  Mon Nov 26 13:22:59 2001
From: mark at amtmedia.com (Mark Morley)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 13:22:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Wurch/Wuerch
Message-ID: <E168TDP-000O99-00@www.amtmedia.com>

Hi there,

I'm researching the Wurch/Wurch/Wirch family (my wife is a Wuerch).  We have
tracked it as far back as her great grandfather Frank Wuerch.

Frank was born in 1852 and died in 1922.  I have about 800 or so of Frank's
decendents (and their spouses, etc.) online in a database and I'm looking
to grow that tree.  In particular I'd like to go further back along
Frank's family line (and his wives').

Frank was married to a Hannah Wurch and then a Katherina Rode and he had
the following children: Adolf, Bertha, David, Elsie, Emma, Gustav, Henry,
Jonathan, Julius, Lydia, Mabel, Otto, Reinhold, Ruth, Samuel, and William.

His son David Wurch had a son named Samuel Gustav Wuerch, who is my wife's
father.

A lot of Wurches ended up in Manitoba, Canada, where they are entwined
with the Rattai family.

If any of this sounds familiar to you, please contact me.

Mark


From krushelh at cadvision.com  Mon Nov 26 15:36:21 2001
From: krushelh at cadvision.com (Howard Krushel)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 16:36:21 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] town of "Teronine"? German Baptists
  in Poland
References: <3C000059.AACCBE96@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <001901c176d3$27eff9a0$1b8d94cf@howardkrushel>

Glenn:
Terenin/Teronine is located southwest of Lodz just a few miles below the
city of Pabjanice; for the early records (pre-1900) the Archives in Lodz may
have some information, as Pastor Gutsche from Lodz did serve this area for
some time. The Baptist church records found in the Lodz Archives begin in
1870 and continue until 1900.
Howard Krushel
krushelh at cadvision.com

----- Original Message -----
From: Glenn Frank <glennfrank at earthlink.net>
To: <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 1:17 PM
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] town of "Teronine"? German Baptists in Poland


> Has anyone heard of the town or settlement named "Teronine" in Poland?
> Is it by chance anywhere near Lodz?
>
> My father found the name of that town in a book he has, which is entitled,
"History of
> German Baptists in Poland" by Robert Kluttige.
>
> I am also looking for a copy of this book in English... the copy my father
has is in
> German, which he can read, but it would be nice to have an english
version. Does anyone
> know of this book?
>
> Most of the ancestors I am looking for in Poland were associated with the
"German Baptist"
> denomination, which was fairly rare and persecuted by the Catholic church
as the Lutherans
> were... is there anyone else on this list who has researched the German
Baptists. I am
> looking for advice on researching them.
>
> Glenn Frank
> glennfrank at earthlink.net
> =====================================================
> Genealogy Website
> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~frankbarton
> _______________________________________________
> Ger-Poland-Volhynia mailing list
> Ger-Poland-Volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> http://eclipse.sggee.org/mailman/listinfo/ger-poland-volhynia


From brownrl at sympatico.ca  Mon Nov 26 16:52:04 2001
From: brownrl at sympatico.ca (R & L Brown)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 19:52:04 -0500
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Wurch/Wuerch
References: <E168TDP-000O99-00@www.amtmedia.com>
Message-ID: <002c01c176dd$bc149500$7c85fea9@brown>

I have a Franz Wurch in my database who is the Frank mentioned below.  His
son, Adolf (1882-1973) married Wanda Louise Rattai, and their daughter,
Velma, married Gerhard Wittmeier.

Gerhard's cousin, Paul Adolf Otto (1911-c1997) married Olga Zirk, who is my
first cousin, once removed.

Please contact me for more information.

Ron Brown


----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Morley" <mark at amtmedia.com>
To: <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 4:22 PM
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Wurch/Wuerch


> Hi there,
>
> I'm researching the Wurch/Wurch/Wirch family (my wife is a Wuerch).  We
have
> tracked it as far back as her great grandfather Frank Wuerch.
>
> Frank was born in 1852 and died in 1922.  I have about 800 or so of
Frank's
> decendents (and their spouses, etc.) online in a database and I'm looking
> to grow that tree.  In particular I'd like to go further back along
> Frank's family line (and his wives').
>
> Frank was married to a Hannah Wurch and then a Katherina Rode and he had
> the following children: Adolf, Bertha, David, Elsie, Emma, Gustav, Henry,
> Jonathan, Julius, Lydia, Mabel, Otto, Reinhold, Ruth, Samuel, and William.
>
> His son David Wurch had a son named Samuel Gustav Wuerch, who is my wife's
> father.
>
> A lot of Wurches ended up in Manitoba, Canada, where they are entwined
> with the Rattai family.
>
> If any of this sounds familiar to you, please contact me.
>
> Mark
> _______________________________________________
> Ger-Poland-Volhynia mailing list
> Ger-Poland-Volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> http://eclipse.sggee.org/mailman/listinfo/ger-poland-volhynia


From thejoneses at shaw.ca  Mon Nov 26 17:36:55 2001
From: thejoneses at shaw.ca (Bill & Carol)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 19:36:55 -0600
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Wurch/Wuerch
References: <E168TDP-000O99-00@www.amtmedia.com>
Message-ID: <001401c176e7$3eb29b20$1202a8c0@escape.ca>

I've got you in my database, Mark.  Frank Wuerch was supposedly my
grandfather's uncle, according to family members and a ships passenger
list.  I have Wuerch records back to the late 1700's.  Contact me
directly, please.

Bill Jones

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Morley" <mark at amtmedia.com>
To: <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 3:22 PM
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Wurch/Wuerch


> Hi there,
>
> I'm researching the Wurch/Wurch/Wirch family (my wife is a Wuerch).
We have
> tracked it as far back as her great grandfather Frank Wuerch.
>
> Frank was born in 1852 and died in 1922.  I have about 800 or so of
Frank's
> decendents (and their spouses, etc.) online in a database and I'm
looking
> to grow that tree.  In particular I'd like to go further back along
> Frank's family line (and his wives').
>
> Frank was married to a Hannah Wurch and then a Katherina Rode and he
had
> the following children: Adolf, Bertha, David, Elsie, Emma, Gustav,
Henry,
> Jonathan, Julius, Lydia, Mabel, Otto, Reinhold, Ruth, Samuel, and
William.
>
> His son David Wurch had a son named Samuel Gustav Wuerch, who is my
wife's
> father.
>
> A lot of Wurches ended up in Manitoba, Canada, where they are entwined
> with the Rattai family.
>
> If any of this sounds familiar to you, please contact me.
>
> Mark
> _______________________________________________
> Ger-Poland-Volhynia mailing list
> Ger-Poland-Volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> http://eclipse.sggee.org/mailman/listinfo/ger-poland-volhynia


From colnels at shaw.ca  Mon Nov 26 18:38:29 2001
From: colnels at shaw.ca (Nelson)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 19:38:29 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Wurch/Wuerch
References: <E168TDP-000O99-00@www.amtmedia.com>
  <002c01c176dd$bc149500$7c85fea9@brown>
Message-ID: <000e01c176ec$9d271c30$a36b4118@THEMACHINE>

Were they members of the McDermot Avenue Baptist Church in Winnipeg?
Nelson
----- Original Message -----
From: "R & L Brown" <brownrl at sympatico.ca>
To: <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 5:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Wurch/Wuerch


> I have a Franz Wurch in my database who is the Frank mentioned below.  His
> son, Adolf (1882-1973) married Wanda Louise Rattai, and their daughter,
> Velma, married Gerhard Wittmeier.
>
> Gerhard's cousin, Paul Adolf Otto (1911-c1997) married Olga Zirk, who is
my
> first cousin, once removed.
>
> Please contact me for more information.
>
> Ron Brown
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Morley" <mark at amtmedia.com>
> To: <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 4:22 PM
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Wurch/Wuerch
>
>
> > Hi there,
> >
> > I'm researching the Wurch/Wurch/Wirch family (my wife is a Wuerch).  We
> have
> > tracked it as far back as her great grandfather Frank Wuerch.
> >
> > Frank was born in 1852 and died in 1922.  I have about 800 or so of
> Frank's
> > decendents (and their spouses, etc.) online in a database and I'm
looking
> > to grow that tree.  In particular I'd like to go further back along
> > Frank's family line (and his wives').
> >
> > Frank was married to a Hannah Wurch and then a Katherina Rode and he had
> > the following children: Adolf, Bertha, David, Elsie, Emma, Gustav,
Henry,
> > Jonathan, Julius, Lydia, Mabel, Otto, Reinhold, Ruth, Samuel, and
William.
> >
> > His son David Wurch had a son named Samuel Gustav Wuerch, who is my
wife's
> > father.
> >
> > A lot of Wurches ended up in Manitoba, Canada, where they are entwined
> > with the Rattai family.
> >
> > If any of this sounds familiar to you, please contact me.
> >
> > Mark
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ger-Poland-Volhynia mailing list
> > Ger-Poland-Volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> > http://eclipse.sggee.org/mailman/listinfo/ger-poland-volhynia
> _______________________________________________
> Ger-Poland-Volhynia mailing list
> Ger-Poland-Volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> http://eclipse.sggee.org/mailman/listinfo/ger-poland-volhynia


From mark at amtmedia.com  Mon Nov 26 19:05:26 2001
From: mark at amtmedia.com (Mark Morley)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 19:05:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Wurch/Wuerch
In-Reply-To: <001401c176e7$3eb29b20$1202a8c0@escape.ca> from "Bill &
  Carol" at Nov 26, 2001 07:36:55 PM
Message-ID: <E168YYp-000OaS-00@www.amtmedia.com>

> I've got you in my database, Mark.  Frank Wuerch was supposedly my
> grandfather's uncle, according to family members and a ships passenger
> list.  I have Wuerch records back to the late 1700's.  Contact me
> directly, please.
> 

Done, thanks for replying.

For anyone else who's interested, I have just (tonight) finished entering
approximately 900 Wurch's, Rattai's, and others into an online database.

If you want to see a list of names in my database, you can visit these two
web pages:


   http://morleys.org/kin/repSurnameSummary.php

   Shows a summary of surnames and the years they cover.


   http://morleys.org/kin/repSurnameMembers.php

   Shows all the given names for each surname.


The rest of the system is not available to the general public, but I can
set you up with a password if you want to browse the database.  This lets
you view more details (births, deaths, marriages, children) and generate
other reports.  It also lets you select any two people and calculate how
they relate to each other, etc.

Email me if you want full access.

Mark


From krushelh at cadvision.com  Mon Nov 26 21:24:12 2001
From: krushelh at cadvision.com (Howard Krushel)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 22:24:12 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Warsaw archives/Volhynian church
  register books
References: <NEBBKIJDALPIILEHBKEDCEHICBAA.stein@enel.ucalgary.ca>
Message-ID: <001a01c17703$c5a337e0$968394cf@howardkrushel>

Richard:
The priciples espoused by Anna Laszuk that records are to go back to the
area in which they were produced has been in operation for some time; back
in 1997 Germany and Poland were exchanging various records; Anna Laszuk
might be new; Dr. Andrzej Biernat was the fellow heading up this department
in the past.
At times when requesting records confusion might occur in regard to the
identity of a specific village; the Archives would use the 1934 Gazetteer by
Tadeusz Bystrzcki to accurately establish the powiat and gmina to which a
volhyian village belonged; and so using this same gazetteer would help in
avoiding confusion for the Archives.
The record books would usually not be moved over from the Zabuzanski Archive
into the Warsaw Archive until the records for the entire book pass the 100
year mark i.e. the entire book would have to have records older than 1901
for it to be trasferred  into the other Archive.
Perhaps a second letter outlining what you have received in the past might
help in bringing a positive response to your request.
Howard Krushel
krushelh at cadvision.com

----- Original Message ----
From: Richard Stein <stein at enel.ucalgary.ca>
To: <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 10:48 PM
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Warsaw archives/Volhynian church register
books


> I recently sent a request in Polish to the Naczelna Dyrekcja Archiwow
> Panstwowych in Warsaw for Rozyszcze Parish birth and marriage records and
> received the following reply:
> _____________
> In response to your letter dated 20.10. of the current year re: search for
> civil records, the Main Center of Archival Information would kindly like
to
> inform you that all the archival materials [in Poland] are stored
according
> to
> their areal affiliation. In the Polish state archives no records are
> preserved
> for the locations mentioned in your request. According to the fact the
> Wolynia
> belongs now to the territory of the Ukraine, we suggest that you direct
your
> search to their archives there. The address is:
>
> Archiwum Panstwowe Obwodu Wolynskiego
> ul. Weteranow 21
> 43024 Luck
> Ukraina
>
> signed:  p.o. DYREKTORA, Centrainego Osrodka Informacji Archiwalnej, dr.
> Anna Laszuk
> _______________
>
> With four other similar requests in the last two years, I received all the
> records I specified.  I find it hard to believe that the Volhynia church
> record books have been transferred to Ukraine in the last six months.  Did
I
> have the bad luck to have my request directed to someone who didn't know
> that materials from the former Polish Volhynia are held by the archive in
> Warsaw?
>
> Can anyone shed some light on this situation?
>
> Dick Stein
> _______________________________________________
> Ger-Poland-Volhynia mailing list
> Ger-Poland-Volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> http://eclipse.sggee.org/mailman/listinfo/ger-poland-volhynia


From GPVListAdmin at sggee.org  Tue Nov 27 06:06:11 2001
From: GPVListAdmin at sggee.org (Jerry Frank)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 07:06:11 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Housekeeping:  Administrative issue
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From benovich at montanadsl.net  Tue Nov 27 07:08:00 2001
From: benovich at montanadsl.net ( Richard Benert)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:08:00 -0500
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia]
Message-ID: <001501c1778b$186f6e80$adb0a6d8@oemcomputer>

Greg,

If you can get hold of a copy of Adam Giesinger's, "From Catherine to
Krushchev", there is a map in p. 130 that gives a pretty good indication of
where Volhynia was.

Dick
-----Original Message-----
From: greg swanson <gps444 at yahoo.com>
To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
<ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
Date: Monday, November 26, 2001 12:16 AM
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia]


>Dear fellow East European German Desendents-
>
>  I've been on the list for a while and have been
>waiting not wanting to ask too many newby stupid
>questions. Well, the time has come.
>
>1) Wat area exactly does Volhynia cover. After reading
>all the web pages, etc, I still can't figure it out.
>Looks like it's Russia or at least the area East of
>Congress Poland.
>
>2) Could someone recommend a good book on the German
>settlement of Poland? My family tradition is that our
>family (at least some) left Germany around 1800 to
>avoid being conscripted into Napolean's army.
>
>3) I went to the genealogy library. What few records I
>could find were in Polish. It appears therefore that
>the parish records were actually civil records.
>Otherwise I would have expected the German chuches to
>do their records in their native language.
>
>4) People and places which I am searching:
>
>   Tepper(Teper,Tepfer)in Feliksow, Turek, Pudlow
>   Kujat  in Dombrofka, Turek, Josefow
>   Kryger (Kruger) in ?
>   Czernig (Sharnik) in ?, Turek
>   Hering      in ?
>   Radtke
>   Schaedler (Schadler)
>   Hass   in Kowalwewko
>   Wendt in ?
>
>Thanks for your indulgence.
>
>Greg Swanson
>
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From benovich at montanadsl.net  Tue Nov 27 13:32:42 2001
From: benovich at montanadsl.net ( Richard Benert)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 16:32:42 -0500
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] the Sezam database in Poland
Message-ID: <001601c1778b$19407a20$adb0a6d8@oemcomputer>

A few weeks ago a kind soul (I wish I could remember who) posted news about
a Polish national archive website and its Sezam database.  I immediately did
a search for the last village in Poland before my maternal ancestors left
for Volhynia.  The village was Reczaje (also called Deutsch Reczaje).  I got
an immediate hit in Sezam.  It informed me that some records from Reczaje
are now in the archives in Nowy Dwor, Mazowiecki.  I then contacted the
Polish Archives at the "contact us" address given.  After two or three
weeks, I have received an answer.  I am sending this out for two reasons.
One, to encourage others to take advantage of this service
(http://baza.archiwa.gov.pl/sezam) .  And, two, to ask if there are any kind
souls out there whose knowledge of Polish would enable them to translate
this note for me, my Polish being nonexistent.  (I had asked about the type
of records these were likely to be, and about the fees for having someone do
research for me).

With many thanks,

Dick
-----Original Message-----
From: Iza Mazur <imazur at archiwa.gov.pl>
To: benovich at montanadsl.net <benovich at montanadsl.net>
Date: Monday, November 26, 2001 2:04 AM
Subject: Re: A question about fees...


>
>>
>> > NACZELNA DYREKCJA
>> > ARCHIWSW PAQSTWOWYCH
>> > ul. Dluga 6, skrytka pocztowa nr 1005
>> > 00-950 Warszawa
>> > www.archiwa.gov.pl
>> > znak sprawy: COIA-843-712/2001
>> >
>> > Pan Richard Benert
>> > W odpowiedzi na Pana pismo w sprawie odszukania informacji o
>> > Pana przodkach, Centralny Osrodek Informacji Archiwalnej przesyla
>> nastepujace informacje. Material archiwalny przechowywany jest w
archiwach
>i
>> instytucjach zgodnie z przynaleznoscia terytorialna. Akta metrykalne
>> przechowywane sa w Urzedach Stanu Cywilnego i po 100 latach przekazywane
>sa
>> do archiwow panstwowych. Miejscowosc Reczaje lezy na terenie dzialania
>Archiwum Panstwowego m. st. Warszawy, Oddzial w Nowym Dworze Mazowieckim
>(ul. Kosciuszki 1, 05-100 Nowy Dwor Mazowiecki), tak jak to wynika z
>informacji zawartych w bazie danych SEZAM. W wyniku kwerendy dowiedzielismy
>sie, ze, nietety, nie przechowuje sie tam akt metrykalnych miejscowosci
>Reczaje. Prawdopodobnie dokumentacja metrykalne ulegla zniszczeniu w wyniku
>dzialan wojennych II wojny swiatowej. Sugerujemy tez, zeby zwrocil sie Pan
>do prafii sw. Jana Chrzciciela i Sw. Wojciecha w Poswietnem (05-326
>Poswietne), do ktorej nalezala miejscowosc Reczaje.
>> > W przypadku dokumentacji XX-wiecznej powinien sie Pan zwrocic do
>Uzredu Stanu Cywilnego w Poswietnem (ul. Krotka 1, 05-326 Poswietne)


From rradke at telus.net  Tue Nov 27 17:57:05 2001
From: rradke at telus.net (Robert Radke)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 17:57:05 -0800
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] the Sezam database in Poland
Message-ID: <01112717570501.00866@heptathlon>

Hi Dick!  Here's your translation:  There was no mention of fees or hiring a
researcher.
--Bob Radke

Main Headquarters of the State Archives
Dluga Street 6
PO Box 1005
00-950 Warsaw

Mr. Richard Benert:

In response to your letter concerning information about your forebears,  the
Main Centre for Archival Information sent the following information.  The
archival material is preserved in the archives of the institutions
corresponding to territorial membership.  Vital statistics documents are kept
in the Departments of Civilian Status and after 100 years are transferred to
the state archives.  The village Reczaje lies in territory covered by the
State Archive,Old City of Warsaw, Nowy Dwor Mazowiecki Branch, Kosciuszki
Street 1, 05-100 Nowy Dwor Mazowiecki, just as it appeared in the information
contained in the SEZAM database.  As the result of a query we learn that
unfortunately, the vital statistics records of the village of Reczaje are not
kept there.  Most likely the vital statistics documentation yielded to the
destructon arising from the actions of the soldiers of the Second World War.
We suggest that you also turn to the Parish of Saints Jan Chrzciciel and
Wojciech in Poswietne (05-326 Poswietne) to which the village of Reczaje
belonged.  In the case of Twentieth Century documentation, you must turn to
the Department of Civilian Status in Poswietne (Krotka Street 1, 05-326
Poswietne).

> A few weeks ago a kind soul (I wish I could remember who) posted news about
> a Polish national archive website and its Sezam database.  I immediately
> did a search for the last village in Poland before my maternal ancestors
> left for Volhynia.  The village was Reczaje (also called Deutsch Reczaje).
> I got an immediate hit in Sezam.  It informed me that some records from
> Reczaje are now in the archives in Nowy Dwor, Mazowiecki.  I then contacted
> the Polish Archives at the "contact us" address given.  After two or three
> weeks, I have received an answer.  I am sending this out for two reasons.
> One, to encourage others to take advantage of this service
> (http://baza.archiwa.gov.pl/sezam) .  And, two, to ask if there are any
> kind souls out there whose knowledge of Polish would enable them to
> translate this note for me, my Polish being nonexistent.  (I had asked
> about the type of records these were likely to be, and about the fees for
> having someone do research for me).
>
> With many thanks,
>
> Dick
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Iza Mazur <imazur at archiwa.gov.pl>
> To: benovich at montanadsl.net <benovich at montanadsl.net>
> Date: Monday, November 26, 2001 2:04 AM
> Subject: Re: A question about fees...
>
> >> > NACZELNA DYREKCJA

Main Headquarters

> >> > ARCHIWSW PAQSTWOWYCH

of the State Archives

> >> > ul. Dluga 6, skrytka pocztowa nr 1005

Dluga Street 6, Post Office Box 1005

> >> > 00-950 Warszawa

00-950 Warsaw

> >> > www.archiwa.gov.pl
> >> > znak sprawy: COIA-843-712/2001

Reference number COIA-843-712/2001

> >> > Pan Richard Benert

Mr. Richard Benert

> >> > W odpowiedzi na Pana pismo w sprawie odszukania informacji o

In response to your letter concerning the search for information about

> >> > Pana przodkach, Centralny Osrodek Informacji Archiwalnej przesyla

your forebears, the Main Centre for Archival Information sent

> >> nastepujace informacje. Material archiwalny przechowywany jest w

the following information.  The archival material is preserved in

> archiwach

the archives

> >> instytucjach zgodnie z przynaleznoscia terytorialna. Akta metrykalne

of the institutions corresponding to territorial membership.  Vital
statistics records

> >> przechowywane sa w Urzedach Stanu Cywilnego i po 100 latach przekazywane

are kept in the Departments of Civilian Status and after 100 years are
transferred

> >sa
> >
> >> do archiwow panstwowych. Miejscowosc Reczaje lezy na terenie dzialania

to the state archives.  The village Reczaje lies in territory covered by

> >Archiwum Panstwowego m. st. Warszawy, Oddzial w Nowym Dworze Mazowieckim

the State Archive (m. = miasto 'city' ; st. = stare  'old') of Warsaw, Nowy
Dwor Mazowiecki Branch

> >(ul. Kosciuszki 1, 05-100 Nowy Dwor Mazowiecki), tak jak to wynika z

(Kosciuszki Street 1, 05-100 Nowy Dwor Mazowiecki) just as it appeared in

> >informacji zawartych w bazie danych SEZAM. W wyniku kwerendy

the information contained in the SEZAM database.  As the result of a query

> > dowiedzielismy sie, ze, nietety, nie przechowuje sie tam akt metrykalnych

we learn that, unfortunately, the vital statistics records of the village of
Reczaje are not kept there.

> > miejscowosci Reczaje. Prawdopodobnie dokumentacja metrykalne ulegla

Most likely the vital statistics documentation yielded to

> > zniszczeniu w wyniku dzialan wojennych II wojny swiatowej. Sugerujemy

the destruction arising from the actions of the soldiers of the Second World
War.  We suggest

> > tez, zeby zwrocil sie Pan do prafii sw. Jana Chrzciciela i Sw. Wojciecha

that you also turn to the Parish of Saint Jan Chrzciciel and Saint Wojciech

> > w Poswietnem (05-326 Poswietne), do ktorej nalezala miejscowosc Reczaje.

in Poswietne (05-326 Poswietne) to which the village of Reczaje belonged.

> >> > W przypadku dokumentacji XX-wiecznej powinien sie Pan zwrocic do

In the case of Twentieth Century documentation, you must turn to

> >Uzredu Stanu Cywilnego w Poswietnem (ul. Krotka 1, 05-326 Poswietne)

the Department of Civilian Status in Poswietne (Krotka Street 1, 05-326
Poswietne).

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From Burnstwo at aol.com  Wed Nov 28 17:14:50 2001
From: Burnstwo at aol.com (Burnstwo at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:14:50 EST
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Re: Ger-Poland-Volhynia digest, Vol 1 #46 - 3 msgs
Message-ID: <116.8766b8b.2936e60a@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/28/2001 3:03:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
ger-poland-volhynia-request at eclipse.sggee.org writes:


>  People and places which I am searching:
> >
> >   Tepper(Teper,Tepfer)in Feliksow, Turek, Pudlow
> >   Kujat  in Dombrofka, Turek, Josefow
> >   Kryger (Kruger) in ?
> >   Czernig (Sharnik) in ?, Turek
> >   Hering      in ?
> >   Radtke
> >   Schaedler (Schadler)
> >   Hass   in Kowalwewko
> >   Wendt in ?
> 

My family was from Kowalowka (New East Prussia) prior to migrating to 
Volhynia in around 1870 - 1875.  Is this the Kowlowka you are referring to?  
It is northeast of Warsaw around the main town of Paproc Duza (also known as 
Konigshuld).  

Many of the names on the list are present in this area. If  you can give me a 
few dates, I can check the records for the names above.  I also have an 
interesting history of the settlements there from the Wandering Volhynians 
newsletter.  Let me know if this is of interest.  

Carol Gottschalk Burns 
burnstwo at aol.com 

Villages in New East Prussia:  Konigshuld/Paproc Duza, Wilhelmsdorf/Krole, 
Mecklenberg/Kowalowka, Zaszkow, Paproc Mala, Silberwald.  

Surnames:  Gottschalk, Em(m)er(t), Andert, Druger, Poltzien, Schroeder, 
Bartel, Christmann, Shulz, Breymann, Fehlberg, Schmidt, Kip, Trottnow, Hahn, 
Mittelstaedt, Muller, Redevich, Spitz, Wildemann, Kruger, Wolfert, Klass, 
Bader, Kormann, Hartmann, Feuerbach, Schauerbaum, Falk, Sell, Roehl 

Villages in Volhynia (from approx. 1876):  Beresowo Hath, Sokolov, Novin, 
Heimthal, Sergiewka, areas around Kreis Pulin, near Zhitomir.   Surnames from 
this area:  Gottschalk, Andert, Emmer, Dreger, Gertz, Kelm, Krenz, Bethke, 
Ott, Kritschun, Pawelcik, Rinas; looking for others.   >>


From jkfrank at shaw.ca  Thu Nov 29 17:05:10 2001
From: jkfrank at shaw.ca (Jerry Frank)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 18:05:10 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Breitkreuz in Volhynia & Poland
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011129180220.00b09a68@pop3.norton.antivirus>

Stumbled across the following site in my net ramblings 
http://members.tripod.de/breitkreuz/

It is in German but traces the family all the way back c.1663.

Info about Baptists in Volhynia is also included.





Jerry Frank - Calgary, Alberta
jkfrank at shaw.ca


From jgambrel at mts.net  Thu Nov 29 18:37:40 2001
From: jgambrel at mts.net (Jim & Muriel Gambrel)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 20:37:40 -0600
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Re: Ger-Poland-Volhynia digest, Vol 1 #47 - 1 msg
Message-ID: <001301c17947$fc21d880$6929cad1@jgambrel.mb.sympatico.ca>

Carol - I live in Manitoba, Canada, and some of the names you mention
are familiar to me.
These people also came from Volhynia - Feuerbach, Roehl, Dreger and
Krenz. They lived about 20-30 miles from where I grew up.

I am researching in (Old) East Prussia, and have seen these names in
some of the churchbook
films.  My family research is for Plohmann/Plomann, and I have found
some Gottschalk married to
"Plaumann" - Maria Elisabeth Gottschalk  married to Wilhelm Plaumann
in the 1840's in
Bartenstein, East Prussia, and Louisa Gottschalk married to Carl
Plaumann, same place and
dates.  Quite a few children in both cases.

Muriel Gambrel (nee Plohmann)
>Carol Gottschalk Burns
>burnstwo at aol.com
>
>Surnames:  Gottschalk, Em(m)er(t), Andert, Druger, Poltzien,
Schroeder,
>Bartel, Christmann, Shulz, Breymann, Fehlberg, Schmidt, Kip,
Trottnow, Hahn,
>Mittelstaedt, Muller, Redevich, Spitz, Wildemann, Kruger, Wolfert,
Klass,
>Bader, Kormann, Hartmann, Feuerbach, Schauerbaum, Falk, Sell, Roehl
>
>Villages in Volhynia (from approx. 1876):  Beresowo Hath, Sokolov,
Novin,
>Heimthal, Sergiewka, areas around Kreis Pulin, near Zhitomir.
Surnames from
>this area:  Gottschalk, Andert, Emmer, Dreger, Gertz, Kelm, Krenz,
Bethke,
>Ott, Kritschun, Pawelcik, Rinas; looking for others.   >>


From dnmiller at whiz.to  Thu Nov 29 19:08:21 2001
From: dnmiller at whiz.to (Don Miller)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 19:08:21 -0800
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Gulag info
Message-ID: <MDENLHNJGOJPEMCINENEOEHECBAA.dnmiller@whiz.to>

For some time I have been trying to get some additional infomation re my
uncle, Heinrich M. Mueller, a Baptist pastor in Volhynia, who was sent to a
Gulag in 1934.  I managed to access the entire KGB file in Zhitomir on him a
few years ago and more recently recieved some additional information by
writing to "Memorial: (International Historical and Educational Human Rights
and Charity Society) in Moscow.  I wrote a simple letter to the Memorial
Society in English and after about three months recieved a very courteous
two-page letter.  There was no charge.  For others who might be interested
in tracing family members who likewise suffered the fate of a Soviet Gulag,
the address is Memorial, 103051, Russia, Moscow, Maly Karetnyi Pereulok 12.

Don Miller


From ellencleary at earthlink.net  Fri Nov 30 06:57:46 2001
From: ellencleary at earthlink.net (Ellen Cleary)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 08:57:46 -0600
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] KUSHNEVICH in Russian Poland and OPCHITSKY in Golub, Prussia
Message-ID: <061c01c179af$60906cc0$2a0e113f@computer>

Hi to you all.

I know I am looking for a needle in a haystack, but if any of you have any
advice for me, I'd welcome it.

I am not sure if this is the correct list to post these questions on, so
please forgive me if I am not asking appropriate questions.

I have been researching my family, which is Jewish, for ten years and have
made good progress on many lines.  But the information on these two is so
scanty.  I have researched every aspect I can think of that might supply
more details and I am afraid this is all I have to work with:

My great grandmother, whose surname was KUSHNEVICH, was born in Russian
Poland in 1840.  I have been unable to locate any document that gives me a
more exact place or date.  The family story is that she went to England to
live with an aunt.  I don't know where in England, nor do I know the name of
her aunt.  While in England, her name became Hannah Pauline Goldstein.
Supposedly she married in England, but I have been unable to find any record
of this marriage.

My great grandfather, whose surname was OPCHITSKY, was born in Golub,
Prussia in about August of 1832.  He had 3 sisters that I know of, Minna,
Rebecca, and Esther.  The family story is that he went to study at Oxford (I
have been unable to substantiate this, but Jews were not allowed to
matriculate at Oxford during this time, so he could have been there and
there would be no record.)  While in England, he changed his name to JOSEPH
ISAAC BARNETT.  He met his wife, the above described HANNAH PAULINE
GOLDSTEIN, in England and they married there and sailed for New Orleans.

I have them arriving in New Orleans on 10 March 1858.  And I have them from
there on out.  I have thoroughly researched them here and the above is the
only information I have to offer.

If any of you have any suggestions for me as to what other avenues I might
try to find them, I would be most grateful.


From mseverson1 at msn.com  Fri Nov 30 08:25:20 2001
From: mseverson1 at msn.com (Swede & Marilyn Severson)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 10:25:20 -0600
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Fw: Mailman results for Ger-Poland-Volhynia
Message-ID: <000801c179bb$9b7277a0$34dab5d1@mseverson1>

Jerry,

I tried to change the address as you told me to.  Below is what happened.
What did I do wrong???

Swede
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To: <mseverson1 at msn.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 10:10 AM
Subject: Mailman results for Ger-Poland-Volhynia


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From karen at krl.org  Fri Nov 30 08:38:31 2001
From: karen at krl.org (Karen Miller)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 08:38:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Thomas P. Miller
In-Reply-To: <3BFCEA04.62431A5A@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0111300837210.13026-100000@linknet.kitsap.lib
  .wa.us>

Hi.  Does anyone have a correct e-mail address for Thomas P. Miller of the
SGGEE information?  Each that I have tried keep bouncing.

Thanks

Karen


Karen

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~kmiller/index.html

including: 
MUELLERS from Bern, Switzerland
HOFFMAN from Minnesota
OLSON/ THOMPSON from Norway and Seattle, Washington
DRAKE/ ROBINS/ BAKER from Devon, England
STONE/ PHILLIPS/ SCOTT/ MATYEAR from England and New York

Also:
OSGOOD:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~kmiller/osgoodgen1-4.htm

My French Connections:
http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=karenm


From loribob at inil.com  Fri Nov 30 10:57:18 2001
From: loribob at inil.com (Bob & Lori Roth)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 12:57:18 -0600
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Virus
Message-ID: <003701c179d0$e57e4260$fd1328d0@hppav>

I received an email today from Richard Wolf:  "The Rath Family Tree".
Richard, if you are a member of this list, you are infected with the
Badtrans virus.  Norton's detected it.  If you are trying to contact me re:
my family tree, please try again after you get your computer disinfected.
Bob